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1600-Cracked tub

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Don-WI

04-19-2003 19:26:04




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I was looking over my 1600 today, and I found a crack in the tub. It is about 6-8" deep right between the engine mounts on the right side. Any advice as to how to weld it on a vertical plane? I plan to weld it from the back side, grind out a good size bevel, about 1/2" on both sides, maybe more if nessesary. I'm gonna go to the weld shop next week and get the thickest Ni-Cad rod and see about welding it. I know to clean between each bead, removing the slag, and past Ni-Cad rod I've used were reverse polarity, so probably the same applies to this. Also, would this weaken the frame at all? I don't beleive it would, but just thought I'd check.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Rich

04-20-2003 17:49:23




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 Re: 1600-Cracked tub in reply to Don-WI, 04-19-2003 19:26:04  
How about a mechanical repair to beef up the weld repair. It wouldn't be to hard to drill and tap the frame on the bottom and install a decent size turnbuckle. Install and crank it down to take some of the stress out of the bottom of the frame rail.



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Tom

04-20-2003 08:50:21




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 Re: 1600-Cracked tub in reply to Don-WI, 04-19-2003 19:26:04  
I have welded cast a few time mostly manifolds but also the pto housing on the cockshutt 20. The only thing that realy works is heating the piece in a furnace or the wire welder. Seem like the furnace is kind of impractical in this case. The wire feed will weld it, don't know if it will be strong enough but you sound smart enough to keep an eye on it. Worst that can happen is it will crack again and you have to get a new tub. The trick to welding cast is get it clean and weld only a little at a time. Good luck what ever you decide. Tom

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Steve

04-20-2003 06:03:17




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 Re: 1600-Cracked tub in reply to Don-WI, 04-19-2003 19:26:04  
Donovan,
Shop around for a used tub. They aren't that expensive. They last tub purchased that I was close to, was for $100. Just my thoughts. Good Luck.



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Don-WI

04-20-2003 11:30:24




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 Re: Re: 1600-Cracked tub in reply to Steve, 04-20-2003 06:03:17  
That you say the price wasn't that much, I may consider it as a second option. I walked the local bone yard last week, they had one 1600 and quite a few 1650's, so if I may end up replacing it, I may go with a 1650 tub instead, because they will probably end up asking less. Just have to wait and see. Also- Where are you from?
Donovan from Wisconsin.



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Steve

04-20-2003 14:55:04




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 Re: Re: Re: 1600-Cracked tub in reply to Don-WI, 04-20-2003 11:30:24  
Donovan,
I am from Iowa. According to my parts book, the part number for 1600 frame subs to the same number as a 1650 frame. They will interchange, and may not be any different, except the 1600 frame might not have the hole drilled and tapped for the rear hydra-power support bolt. I've seen some that weren't. But that's not hard to do. They are not a fast moving part, so you shouldn't have trouble finding one.

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Don-Wi

04-20-2003 17:19:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1600-Cracked tub in reply to Steve, 04-20-2003 14:55:04  
I planned to call Wisconsin Tractor tomorrow or sometime this week, when I get time. My 1600 doesn't have the support bolt that you have mentioned. I will probably try to weld it first, and if it cracks, it cracks and I'll get a new one. I just want to try before getting into even more labor, as I don't exactly have the right set-up to swap out a front tub without some difficulty.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Ollie

04-20-2003 05:02:34




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 Re: 1600-Cracked tub in reply to Don-WI, 04-19-2003 19:26:04  
Welding cast iron is best left to a professional. This is especially true for something like a tractor frame which is under tremendous stress. He may even tell you the chance of a successful repair is poor. Pay the expert, listen to what he says, and good luck to you on your project.



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VADAVE

04-20-2003 03:58:13




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 Re: 1600-Cracked tub in reply to Don-WI, 04-19-2003 19:26:04  
I am only a hobby welder and have not even tried to weld cast iron. The tub is cast. If you don't do it right it will crack along side the weld material. Suggest you read up on welding cast. Good luck.



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dwm

04-20-2003 01:10:01




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 Re: 1600-Cracked tub in reply to Don-WI, 04-19-2003 19:26:04  
I'm not a welder, so don't have advice on welding cast. But do know about tub problems, so be careful. Dad dropped RF wheel of 1550 in a new sinkhole one year, result was the frame broke completely in two just in front of the front engine mounts, where the frame curves out in front of the loader/implement mounting pads. Front of grill, along with radiator lay flat on the ground. Rear support of front axle knocked a hole in the oil pan. 1610 loader held up main part of tractor, it was a mess. Believe frame may have been cracked before. Got a used tub from a 1650 and replaced it.

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