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Marc Smothers

04-19-2003 05:57:00




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Bought an 1855 with bad engine for $500. Real nice tractor other than that, Rice and canes and axle duals. When I rebuild the engine what can I do to make it more reliable. The original owner put 2 engines in it. I have heard there are updates available. Thanks, marc




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Craig

04-22-2003 14:49:57




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 Re: 1855 bad motor in reply to Marc Smothers, 04-19-2003 05:57:00  
How about that Ford 401T, I have one in a 2 1/2 ton ford truck, it has a tractor gov. that makes it a pain in the asx to drive, mine is a model 170 for 170hp that might make an interesing swap!!
Though I would expect parts would be hard to find and expensive
Craig



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WFE

04-20-2003 11:28:10




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 Re: 1855 bad motor in reply to Marc Smothers, 04-19-2003 05:57:00  
Marc,

Having only spent $500 on the tractor, I'd say you can afford to put some money into a motor, and do it right. When properly built, the 310 is capable of amazing power, torque, and longevity. And, it's original Oliver. Here's what I would do, as one of a select few advocates (Dsl too) of rebuilding 310s:

-First, find a 1955, late 1855, or 1950-T block that has the oil cooler. This is assuming that the current 1855 block is not repairable and does not have the oil cooler on the right side of engine. Beginning in 1974, the 1855s had the oil cooler, but prior models did not. Many of those have been fitted with an aftermarket type of cooler which is sandwiched between the filter base and the element and has external coolant lines. They work, as I understand, but I don't know if you can get them anymore.

-Have block line-bored

-Have crankshaft, flywheel, dampener, pistons, rods, etc. all balanced as an assembly. This is done by many racing engine builders. This should definitely be done, as well as having rods inspected for bend or twist. Inspect vibration dampener. It should not have rubber working its way out of the casing. You may be able to see the black rubber, but it should not be shredded or peeling out of the casing.

-Use new one-piece wrist pin bushings supplied in overhaul kit. Not included in kit, but necessary to buy, are new connecting rod capscrews. You can get these through AGCO dealers. If you're going to Plastigage the journal clearances, use the old rod capscrews. Then, during final assembly, use the new capscrews and torque only once, 50 ft*lbs. You can recheck them, but don't loosen them and retighten them.

-Oil capacity. A couple alternatives here. Use original oil pan and change oil every 50 hours and filters every 100. Alternatively, you can deepen oil pan and enlarge oil capacity to extend change interval to the originally specified 100 hour level. Since oil's cheap, I just change it every 50 with filter changes at 100.

-Check sleeve protrusion above block. .004" minimum and shim sleeves to obtain minimum. This is for head gasket retention. Head bolt spec. can also be increased to eliminate potential problems with head gasket failures. A copper gasket sealant can be used as well.

-Check the ball check valve in the turbo oil supply line to make sure that it works properly. If the motor has some hours on it, the turbo probably needs rebuilt/replaced.

-Once running, verify oil pressure. The pressure regulating spring for the main oil gallery is on the engine's right side toward the front and can be shimmed if necessary. 25 psi minimum with engine warm and rated speed.

I would guess the original owner didn't do these things, which is why he put 2 engines in it. New rod bolts are a must, as are verifying rod conditions and reducing vibration. That done, enjoy and regards.

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Ollie

04-19-2003 06:32:45




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 Re: 1855 bad motor in reply to Marc Smothers, 04-19-2003 05:57:00  
Do yourself a huge favor and join HPOCA to get the magazine. The last issue had part 1 of a series covering this exact question. Part 2, next issue, will cover the updates.

You may also want to repower with a Cummins. Some folks here have done it.

You got yourself one heck of a tractor for $500. Enjoy!



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Marc Smothers

04-19-2003 08:32:24




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 Re: Re: 1855 bad motor in reply to Ollie, 04-19-2003 06:32:45  
Hey thank you. It sure seems to be good tractor, just got to get the engine rebuilt. I don't really want to repower. Kinda want to keep it original like my 2255 that blew a valve 2 yrs, ago and fried the engine. Probably cost more to rebuild it than it would of to repower. Just stuck on these Olivers.. Marc



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Shep VA

04-21-2003 09:02:38




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 Re: Re: Re: 1855 bad motor in reply to Marc Smothers, 04-19-2003 08:32:24  
UUuuuugggghhhhh hhh,,, Another 310 believer on the board..... ..

You will need to talk to WFE about the witch craft and spells you will need to keep that 310 togeather, it really is magic...

Seriously there is nothing wrong with keeping the tractor origional and when the 310 runs it is a good engine.

Just let me know if you need to be hooked up with a 5.9L Cummins for that Ollie..... .....

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John

04-21-2003 11:31:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1855 bad motor in reply to Shep VA, 04-21-2003 09:02:38  
Huh...I don't know how good those 5.9L Cummins' are anymore Shep. I just sold my 92 Dodge pickup last week. The cam broke while going down the interstate. Between this and all of the guys talking about that KDP, I'd be a little worried about them also.

As to the 310, You may have a hefty sum of money in it but i believe in keeping a tractor original. I'd do what the guys are saying about the updates and start running her.

John

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Shep VA

04-22-2003 06:38:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1855 bad motor in reply to John, 04-21-2003 11:31:36  
Oh dont get me wrong, any engine can have trouble and I have seen Cummins engines blow up as well, it all depends on how they are maintained and used. But after having Waukeshas apart many times to do updates and overhauls and haveing Cummins engines apart to do work and overhauls and seeing the difference in the internal parts of the engines, I would put my money on a Cummins every time. The Cummins engines are built so much heavier, have solid sleeves, thicker connecting rods, and are really designed better all around, they should be, they are 30 years newer.


I guess my main thing is if you are going to keep the tractor as a show tractor or just use it a little, go ahead and keep it origional and rebuild the Waukesha. But if you are like me and you use the tractors on a daily basis and depend on them to work day in and day out, I like to put my money into a new 2000 or newer Cummins engine vs a 30+ year old engine and technology.

Its really all in your personal preferance, its your tractor. Some people like WFE like to keep the tractors origional and make the Waukesha run good and that is fine. Some people repower thier tractors with 350 chevy engines or 5.9L Cummins engines, and that is fine too. Do what you like and what works and dont worry about it.

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Marc Smothers

04-22-2003 11:12:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1855 bad motor in reply to Shep VA, 04-22-2003 06:38:36  
Hey Shep. I am sorry about starting a battle about motors. I do agree with you about the Cummins, have them in 3 of our tractors. THe KDP is easily fixed. Although I do not agree about the 2000 and newer Cummins. I would not put a 24valve or newer one in a tractor. I honestly posted because I was so proud of getting the tractor for $500. My engine selections that are available and in my shop are Detroit 4-53T, Perkins 354T, Ford 401T, International 7.3L and 6.9L, and Cummins 4BT. I will put whatever one works out easier in it. THat is if the 310 is completely shot. I will be contacting you if I opt for the 4BT or the 354T. And did that Moline 1355 make it home yet???? The guy that had this 1855 has a 1355 also. Marc

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Shep VA

04-22-2003 13:04:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1855 bad motor in reply to Marc Smothers, 04-22-2003 11:12:12  
Oh no problem, I am not trying to start a war either, just some guys talking about engines. I agree with you on not putting a 24 valve Cummins in a tractor or even one with a computer, but you can still get brand new 2004 Cummins engines that are industrial style that are 12 valve and manuel everything, and that is what I have been using is the industrial style engines, not the truck engines they are tougher to deal with.

Sounds like you made a great buy with that 1855 and no matter what you do with the engine you are still going to come out ahead with it. What always killed me was watching a Waukesha powered tractor go at an auction for $4K + and seeing the signs of engine failure already present. I think you made a good buy and that has been the way I have bought most of my tractors, with blown up engines cheap, and then put my own engine in it.

No, my G-1355 hasnt gotten home yet, I talked to the dispactcher yesterday and he was hoping to get it loaded this Wed and get it headed my way, but I have heard that before so I guess I will wait and see. This guy gave me a really good price on moving the Moline home but now I know why, it has taken him almost 3 months and I still dont have my tractor here. Oh well, I wasnt in that big of a hurry for it, but I would like to get it home and play with it. Cant wait to hear that big 585ci grunt.

Great talking with you Marc

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