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Jeff

04-15-2003 11:36:35




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My 1650 diesel with 5000 hours seems to be getting pretty tired. Its hard to start and when it finally catches it bellows large amounts of white smoke. The oil pressure starts out fine, but as the tractor warms up to operating tempature it drops off to about 12 psi while under a load and about 2-3 psi at idle. I'm not much of a mechanic and the prices I've gotten for a rebuild ($5000-$6000) make it seem like I should go out and look for another tractor. I'd appreciate hearing some "Oliver experts" opinions.

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Polly McNichol

06-25-2007 09:32:03




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 Re: 1650 - Rebuild or replace? in reply to Jeff, 04-15-2003 11:36:35  
The 1650 that I have was rebuilt by the previous owner about 3000 hours ago and it runs GREAT. These are very well built tractors. Put the money into it and you'll know what you have, as opposed to buying someone elses problems - hidden or not.



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Art Perkins

03-25-2005 10:00:28




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 Re: 1650 - Rebuild or replace? in reply to Jeff, 04-15-2003 11:36:35  
I'm in the same position, $6000 for rebuild! I found a used one that I will have about $4800 in so I'm sure which way to go either. If it runs good I win, if not I loose.



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alberta dave

04-18-2003 11:26:57




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 Re: 1650 - Rebuild or replace? in reply to Jeff, 04-15-2003 11:36:35  
Jeff, I am facing the very same situation with my 1650 but I am certain I will go the rebuild route and here's why. The 1650 is the easiest piece of machinery I have ever worked on. The mechanical lay out is simple and direct. Parts are readily available from almost any parts store and ultimately it is the cheapest road to go down. You will not get much for $10,000 in a newer used 65 HP tractor and for 10 grand you can make an Oliver or Cockshutt 1650 like mine last for the next 20 years.

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Ollie

04-15-2003 14:25:25




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 Re: 1650 - Rebuild or replace? in reply to Jeff, 04-15-2003 11:36:35  
I agree with Shep. A new 66 hp tractor costs a lot of money. But here's an idea.

Search for a 1650 with a dead clutch, busted over/under, etc. I've seen them go for $1,500. Do a compression test on the engine, fire it up, check oil pressure, you know what to look for. If it measures up, the rest is just turning wrenches. You may even be able to part out the donor tractor for what you paid for it, in effect getting the newer engine for free, your labor not included. But look at all the fun you'll have!

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Shep VA

04-15-2003 13:39:06




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 Re: 1650 - Rebuild or replace? in reply to Jeff, 04-15-2003 11:36:35  
Its always a tough call when you lose an engine on a tractor to rebuild, repower or replace the entire machine. You are correct that you can easily put more than the tractor is worth into a rebuild or a repowered engine. The thing you have to weigh is if you can find another tractor in better shape that you know has been taken care of and do what you want to do for the same price, and normally the answer is no. Also your tractor now with a busted engine is worth about $1000 to $1500 as is, so what do you do with it now?? Even though you will be putting close to as much as what you could buy a 1650 for, you know what has been done to the machine and you will have a fresh engine when you are done.

I guess my opinion is that if you like the tractor and it does what you need it to do and doesnt have too many other problems, go ahead and keep the machine and fix it up again.

You will find if you replace it with a newer tractor that it will not be the weight or power of your old oliver and will cost a good deal more. The 1650 and 1655 Oliver tractors were some of Olivers best machines and they run good and for a long time when taken care of.

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Hal

04-15-2003 18:00:34




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 Re: Re: 1650 - Rebuild or replace? in reply to Shep VA, 04-15-2003 13:39:06  
I have a 1655 with about 3500 hours, and although I wouldn't say it is "tired" (it has good oil pressure at all temperatures, good power and doesn't smoke or burn oil) but it is definately getting harder and harder to start with each passing season. Is this typical for a 3500 hour 283 engine. What should I check first, or what is the most likely cause? Compression? Have injectors checked? Pump? I just put a lot of money into the hydraulic pump and a few other things so I want to keep her running good for a while.

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