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Cockshutt or Oliver wheel controlled discs

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Hugh MacKay

04-12-2003 03:07:59




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Can anyone tell when the first Cockshutt and/or Oliver wheel controlled disc harrows first came on the market? I know it was a couple of years before 1960. My dad bought a 8' Cockshutt, I'm thinking 1958 but not sure. And were Cockshutt and Oliver the same disc? I see a bit of discussion on horizon on who had these first. I know it wasn't those two gaints who think they did everything first.




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Dsl

04-13-2003 06:17:40




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 Re: Cockshutt or Oliver wheel controlled discs in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-12-2003 03:07:59  
Earlier than that--probably about 1952-54--I've seen Cockshutt advertising showing hydraulic wheel discs for the 30. Until the merger, Oliver and Cockshutt discs were built by their respective companies, but after the merger, Oliver and Cockshutt discs were the same, and came from the Oliver design. The later 200 series were the best discs on the market. Ford wheel discs(and plows) were Oliver/Cockshutt ones in blue paint.

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Hugh MacKay

04-22-2003 19:05:06




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 Re: Re: Cockshutt or Oliver wheel controlled discs in reply to Dsl, 04-13-2003 06:17:40  
Dsl If you look at photo add number 36270 dated April 22 03 Ford disc. This is the only type of Ford ever marketed in my area. Definately not a White, Oliver or Cockshutt disc.



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Hugh MacKay

04-13-2003 09:25:34




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 Re: Re: Cockshutt or Oliver wheel controlled discs in reply to Dsl, 04-13-2003 06:17:40  
Dsl: That is an interesting senario, as I said my dad bought a 8'- 28 blade, 16" blades, Cockshutt, I said 58, it may have been as early as 56. I know we had Farmall 300 bough new July 55. This disc came for spring seeding and planting.

I later traded that disc for a White 252, 40 blade 18" blades. They were both good discs. In my opinion Cockshutt, Oliver, White dealers were just doing a far better job of specing out and ordering discs than IH and JD were im my area anyway. Heavier gang bolts, bearings, and disc blades were the order of the day at Cockshutt, Oliver and White. You didn't have to pile rocks, concrete and wheel weights on a 252 to make it cut. Many times I have seen Farmall 560D and 656D putting out black smoke on that 252.

The odd part in all of this is and I am assuming you are from US. Here in Canada, Ford must have been using a different supplier or may be they had an economy disc. The Ford discs I've seen on the east coast were junk along side a 252. My next door neighbor bought one, said price was good, but it made an expensive land roller.

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kevin roelans

01-04-2004 09:31:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt or Oliver wheel controlled d in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-13-2003 09:25:34  
I have 252 white dics 44blade 14ft.1 found 4 blade wings. was wondering if I could put them on without busting it up.it will bolt on with no modifications my neighbour has a 256 this way but the center frame is 2 feet wider than mine.



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Dsl

04-14-2003 18:20:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt or Oliver wheel controlled discs in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-13-2003 09:25:34  
Nope--Ottawa Valley, Ont. Maybe only part of the Ford production were White discs, but there definitely were 200 Series White discs in Big Blue. They likely came after the tin junk you were speaking of as an(immense) improvement.

I have a 10'4" 251, and it can make the 1550 pour smoke, or make a White 2-60 in FWA spin out. My next door neighbour wanted me to buy his MF disc, but I paid three times as much and bought this one. He thought I was nuts... until he saw it in my yard one evening, then he said, "Now I see why you bought this one--it's twice the disc mine is!" Well, no: three times... A neighbour up the road also has an MF disc, and he couldn't get over 'how heavy built it is'. And it's the lightest of the 200 Series.

It was on a new set of 20" blades(optional) when I bought it and adding weight is just completely unnecessary. To watch that thing reduce rough plowing to smooth, level discing, or heavy spring weed cover to uniform tilth in one pass is something that absolutely never fails to fascinate and rivet me.

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Hugh MacKay

04-14-2003 18:56:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt or Oliver wheel controlled discs in reply to Dsl, 04-14-2003 18:20:38  
Dsl: Sounds very familar. The light Ford disc I mentioned was probably 63-64.



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