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1650D fitted with a 7.3 Turbo Diesel

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Richard

01-13-2003 16:33:27




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Almost got the old Ollie fitted with a Turbo 7.3..... Yeah, Right. Actually though, has anyone tried it, will it even come close to fitting? What about the engine itself being in a tractor, would it do okay?

I may have a lead on one soon and gave it a thought or two.




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dean

01-14-2003 15:19:23




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 Re: 1650D fitted with a 7.3 Turbo Diesel in reply to Richard, 01-13-2003 16:33:27  
that engine will go in a 1468 int..we have one with the 9 liter int engine and it really runs well in the hot stock classes and open classes



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Klishov, Ivan

01-14-2003 12:25:19




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 Re: 1650D fitted with a 7.3 Turbo Diesel in reply to Richard, 01-13-2003 16:33:27  
You'd have to stretch that tractor out. The 1650 Cockshutt/Olivers have only so much space for an engine, that being the 283 cid/486L engine that they came with. Their design is unforgiving in that aspect, the torque amplifer and transmission come right after that and the engine has its 'tub' to accomodate it. I've looked into an alternative diesel for 1650 and these are the snags I've run into. The only engine other that I know of that might remotely fit without major modification is the Waukesha VRD 283, which I suspect was found late 1650's and 1655's. Now if you have an old 283 you don't want....

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Jim F.

01-14-2003 11:19:37




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 Re: 1650D fitted with a 7.3 Turbo Diesel in reply to Richard, 01-13-2003 16:33:27  
Go with a Pre 97 Cummings. The 444E needs computer to operate and a lot of electronics... even down to the throttle is fly by wire!!! Map sensor controls fuel delivery at different boost levels etc. Unless you have a complete PSD Truck to use for parts it would be a very expensive venture... BUT interesting!



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Shep

01-14-2003 10:26:53




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 Re: 1650D fitted with a 7.3 Turbo Diesel in reply to Richard, 01-13-2003 16:33:27  
I have done a few repowers in Olivers with various engines and I would have to say that what you are thinking of would be an extreamly difficult re-power if not almost impossible to do for that tractor. I could make a list as long as my arm of things you are going to have to modify and or change and replace to even get that to attempt to work. Not only that I would not even began to put such a large engine in that small of a tractor, you need a 2255 or a 2150 to be able to handle the power and tork that engine can put out.

Now if you took a 2255 that had a V-8 in it and attempted a 7.3L IDI International Navistar swap you could come closer to making that work, but you are still going to have lots of issues like the bellhousings and clutch set up, the fuel pump governers, the fan placement, how to mount it in the frame, etc etc.... And hevan forbid if you get an actual powerstoke engine with the computer system on it, that would be a nightmare.

So the answer to your question is that yes it can probably be done given enough time, money and work, but it will be extreamly difficult to do and will likely not produce the results you are thinking it will. I would not try that one, and I have done several re-powers...

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Larry

01-14-2003 09:44:14




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 Re: 1650D fitted with a 7.3 Turbo Diesel in reply to Richard, 01-13-2003 16:33:27  
Thats way too much power for that tractor.



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john2510-3020

01-13-2003 17:37:43




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 Re: 1650D fitted with a 7.3 Turbo Diesel in reply to Richard, 01-13-2003 16:33:27  
Your gonna use teh IDI not the powerstroke right? Unless your good with electronincs go for the IDI. I have the IDI in my 93 ford and it pulls like none other, sure seems to me it would fit the ollie too, especially since they put the 3208's in the larger ollies....is there much difference in the width of the tub on say a 1655 and a 2255? I dunno...
John



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john2510-3020

01-16-2003 08:41:24




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 Re: Re: 1650D fitted with a 7.3 Turbo Diesel in reply to john2510-3020, 01-13-2003 17:37:43  
Yep, your right Shep, never thought about it until after I had posted. I havent messed with many olivers as theres not many around here, I had the chance to buy a 1950 w/ detroit about a year ago for 2500 and passed it up, now I kick my self every day for not buying it! Sorry for passing out the wrong info. And thanks Shep for clearing all that up for me!!
John



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Shep

01-14-2003 10:31:02




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 Re: Re: 1650D fitted with a 7.3 Turbo Diesel in reply to john2510-3020, 01-13-2003 17:37:43  
Yes John, there is a BIG difference in the tub frames of the 1655 and the 2255. I dont think the 1655 has the structure you would need to handle an engine of that size. Think about it, the 1655 runs a 283ci 6cy engine at 75Hp. The 7.3L International is a 444ci engine V-8 cranking out 180++ Hp depending on if you have a turbo or not. The poor 1655 will never hold that kind of power for normal farm work. You need to find a 2255 or 2150 to play with if you want to convert and engine that big.

Interesting thought though...

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Brad

01-13-2003 16:46:16




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 Re: 1650D fitted with a 7.3 Turbo Diesel in reply to Richard, 01-13-2003 16:33:27  
That sure sounds like a cool idea. It would be very different. I say go for it if you think its possible. I have heard people putting The V8 Cat's in the smaller Olivers so I would think you could put the already smaller Powerstroke in one.



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