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1650 diesel engine--Which is it?

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Curle, Colin D

01-10-2003 09:32:12




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I am about to rebuild my Cockshutt 1650's engine, but there is some confusion as what engine is in it. The guys at the boneyard and tractor supply shop tell me these tractors use a Waukesha VRD 283 direct-injection diesel and that is the engine found on these tractors (and all the parts they carry are for such an engine) and the guy at the rebuild shop says my engine is a Waukesha F283DLA indirect-injection engine (my local AGCO dealer service manager has no idea what engine it is and says it is a White proprietary design engine). A query to Waukesha came back saying the VRD 283 and F283DLA are distinct engines and few parts interchange. If anybody can shed some light on this, it would be much appreciated.

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Skinner

01-10-2003 15:58:59




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 Re: 1650 diesel engine--Which is it? in reply to Curle, Colin D, 01-10-2003 09:32:12  
Yes, it is very annoying, but Waukesha built this engine specifically for Oliver, and very few parts interchange properly with the normal VRG or VRD series engine. They look very close to the same but the pistons, heads, and injectors were different. I know, I work for a Arrow and Waukesha distributor and figured I could save some big bucks. Kept getting the wrong parts. Finally they asked me what this was in and when I told them an Oliver, they came back stating the same thing they told you. Finally got the right parts after that. The few hundred bucks I save wasn't worth all the hassle, next time it will be AGCO.

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Curle, Colin D

01-14-2003 12:29:52




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 Re: Re: 1650 diesel engine--Which is it? in reply to Skinner, 01-10-2003 15:58:59  
Skinner, thanks. I wish we had known this when we bought a crank for a VRD 283. But being an employee for Arrow, would you know if a VRD can used in one these tractors?

Thanks Colin & Ivan



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dwm

01-10-2003 15:30:48




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 Re: 1650 diesel engine--Which is it? in reply to Curle, Colin D, 01-10-2003 09:32:12  
Larry is right, the indirect injectors lay horizontal, and the direct 'pencil type' injectors almost vertical. I would think there would also be a distinct tractor serial number break as with Oliver that someone from the Int. Cockshutt Club would know and possibly post. Parts for this Waukesha 283 should be easy to find. I don't know for sure if it's a rule, but the late 1650 Olivers I've seen with direct injection also had the 3-speed Over/Under Hydraul Shift rather than the 2-speed Hydra-Power Drive.

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Canada Grant

01-11-2003 11:19:12




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 Re: Re: 1650 diesel engine--Which is it? in reply to dwm, 01-10-2003 15:30:48  
Cockshutts were built on the same line as olivers someone decided today "its cockshutt day" and put on red paint , side panels and serial tag! Serial split for indirect diesel 1650 is 187-586-000 mid 1967.



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Larry

01-10-2003 09:47:03




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 Re: 1650 diesel engine--Which is it? in reply to Curle, Colin D, 01-10-2003 09:32:12  
The first 1650's had the 283 indirect with energy cells.The last ones and 1655 had the direct injector heads installed.You will have to look and find what you have.The indirect has injectors like a 77 or 88 they lay down on the left side and shoot into the energy cells on the right side.The other has smaller injectors that stick down from the top of the head.Its easy to tell them apart.



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Sam M

01-14-2003 06:40:50




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 Re: Re: 1650 diesel engine--Which is it? in reply to Larry, 01-10-2003 09:47:03  
Two easy ways to tell indirect injection versus direct injection . First , on indirect injection , there are what appear to be six bolt heads (somewhere between 3/4 and 1 inch ) on the right side (viewed from driver's seat ) of the engine block directly across from the fuel injectors . The energy cells are behind these boltheads which are really more like pipe plugs . Second , on the indirect injection , the diesel return lines screw into brass fittings that are on the back of the injectors while on the direct injection the diesel return lines go into rubber "boots " or Ts that are on top of the injectors . I also think that on direct injection the diesel filter is the glass box type on the right side of the engine block while on indirect you have two seperate diesel filters , a primary filter on the right side and a can type just before the injector pump on the left side of the engine .

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dwm

01-14-2003 17:15:20




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 Re: Re: Re: 1650 diesel engine--Which is it? in reply to Sam M , 01-14-2003 06:40:50  
All good comments-except: Early 1655 Diesels with direct injection like I owned (1971 model) had the primary and final round fuel filters. The later ones had the glass box type.



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Duane

01-10-2003 20:03:30




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 Re: Re: 1650 diesel engine--Which is it? in reply to Larry, 01-10-2003 09:47:03  
the early 1650 had a precombustion chamber(energy cell) I have never never heard of the energy cell here in IOWA The design change was a move for the better.



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