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Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help.

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Mike D. new to

12-11-2002 23:33:31




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We take delivery this weekend. It was used on a potato farm and has 16.9s on the back instead of the 18.9s like from the factory. Can this give me any trouble?

Another thing is the hydraulic controls. The past owner had trouble with the cylinder hieght control while disking. The lever didn't keep the transport wheels were he set them. The disk would work back up out of the ground and he said the had a hard time with that.

Third thing is that he said he couldn't keep batteries in it. Cooked them right up. He said to prevent it from happening he would shut the key off while working the tractor. Could it be the voltage regulater? He also runs a single 12 volt rather than the 2 six volts that it was designed for. Any problems in doing that?

It runs like a new machine. Just needs to be gone over some. It is more tractor than I really need, but the smaller ones I've looked at I can't afford. After reading from past posts in most of the boards I have put our other two smaller tractors up for sale and bought this 1800. The sheet metal has some surface rust, but the tractor is complete. I will be asking you Oliver people some more about it in the future. Sure will need some help, and I hope you don't mind holding hands with an Oliver 'newbie'. I'm slow with figuring out stuff sometimes.

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Gordon

12-12-2002 20:01:07




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 Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Mike D. new to Olivers, 12-11-2002 23:33:31  
On the tires if they are 34'' or 38'' and what you are useing it for? For a good size is 18.4x38 then you should not need fluid.On the hyd.the ram on the disk most likly had an internal leak. If you did not get the ram you did not get the leak.On the battary,check charging rate if too high go with a one wire alt.



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Mike D.

12-14-2002 06:39:22




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 Re: Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Gordon, 12-12-2002 20:01:07  
The tire size is 16.4 instead of the 18.4. The original owener farmed potatos and wanted it lower. So you think he had a poor seal on the cylinder on the transport wheels on the disk? Will that cause the disk to raise out of the ground? He thought it was in the draft control on the lift. He said that the electrical sensing control needs replaced. I don't know a darn thing about that yet. Still waiting for a manual. We are getting a new voltage regulator along with a host of other parts with the tractor. I'm tempted to change out the regulator. How do I test it? I don't know much about that either, but am willing to learn as much as I can. Thanks for the input.

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m kuhns

12-12-2002 16:28:26




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 Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Mike D. new to Olivers, 12-11-2002 23:33:31  
Check the position of the arms at where they are attached. Put the arms in the bottom holes if they aren't already. THis will make the 3pt more sensitive and hopefully keep your gauge wheels on the ground. There are some adj. you can make. I would recommend an I&t manual. They are cheap and can help a lot. The 1850 is a good all around tractor. It is probably one of the best ones made as a midsized tractor, but I like the 2255 with the 3208 CAT in it the best out of them all. Alll of our tractors are rusty and we have about 10 olivers that we use to farm with and never have a whole lot of problems with them.

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Mike D.

12-12-2002 18:05:58




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 Re: Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to m kuhns, 12-12-2002 16:28:26  
O.K. I'll look at those lower link positions. Just ordered an I&T manual for it. For what we do on our patch of ground I can't imagine the 2255 with a Cat 3208 powering it. Thank you for telling me about this.



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Rick

12-12-2002 15:15:16




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 Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Mike D. new to Olivers, 12-11-2002 23:33:31  
Mike, This is just a word of warning after growing up on the old Olivers. Make sure you don't have the 3speed part in under if you are on hills, road hills etc. IT IS FREE WHEELING in that position. I learned that the hard way. I have some weights that would work on it and I probably have a plow that you mentioned were looking for. Good luck! Be really careful if it is narrow front. Might even still have a heat houser for it if interested. I am trying to clean up some of my Oliver stuff. Rick

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Mike D.

12-12-2002 18:09:51




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 Re: Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Rick, 12-12-2002 15:15:16  
Whew, thanks for the tip on the low range. We got a few hills and I'll learn right off not to fool with that under shift side while on them. It is a wide front. No cab. I will email you.



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D13

12-12-2002 03:30:13




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 Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Mike D. new to Olivers, 12-11-2002 23:33:31  
Congratulations!

The smaller tires just limit the traction. If it's more HP than you need than they shouldn't bother, you can correct them at leisure. If you find yourself spinning a lot you can weight them if they are not already full. I highly recommend Rim Guard tire ballast, doesn't eat out the valve stems. If you still have traction problems you'll need to go up to the big tires and load them.

Cooked battery is almost always a voltage regulator or generator. Unless you want to restore it go get a 1-wire alternator (less than $100 at JC Whitney), hook it directly to the battery, and make a very simple light circuit - wire to battery, fuse, rocker switch, lights. If it's a gasser the same simple circuit will power the coil. I did this on my sister's 1355 and liked it so well I'm doing it on my AC-B and my MF202. Only thing to watch for is that the alternator needs to see some RPM to turn on - just make sure you go to high throttle for a couple minutes after the engine is warmed. Ours seems to charge OK at low RPM as long as it gets turn on by high RPM first.

Curious question - what did you pay?

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Mike D.

12-12-2002 04:31:59




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 Re: Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to D13, 12-12-2002 03:30:13  
Thanks for the tip on the alternator. I wondered if it was the regulator after the last owner described how it happened. I like the idea of a one wire alternator.

Now we are looking for a semi-mount 4 bottom plow. Neighbor has a 10 foot disk we can barrow until we get to a point we can buy. The tires are poor. I'd say about 30 percent or so. Hoping that it will go another 3-4 year with them.

We paid 2500 for it. It has the Perkins diesel.
I'm hunting for manuals for it now. I figure it will take a while to get to know this machine. It is a big step up for us.

The air filter was broken up pretty bad last week just before we bought it. A friend of the owners was bushhoging and caught a limb. Will that be hard to find? Any ideas on where to begin looking for a replacement air filter assembly?

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Jerry B

12-12-2002 05:47:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Mike D., 12-12-2002 04:31:59  
Sounds like you bought a real bargain, especially if it actualy does have the Perkins engine in it already.
The air filter should be no problem.

I have talked to a couple of Oliver collecter/dealers and they tell me the 1800A series has hydraulic problems. Parts are very hard to find and expensive when you do find them. Wish I could offer more detailed info but just relaying what I was told.

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Mike D. shoot- it is an 1850 -sorry.

12-12-2002 06:03:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Jerry B, 12-12-2002 05:47:15  
I posted first that it was the 1800 and I'm wrong. It is an 1850. It has that hydro transmission that gives it 18 speeds. I guess it is high- then direct- then low. I have never had any experience with one like this. It runs out strong on all ranges. I got to get manuals. Been watching ebay for them. I have read a lot of the earlier posts. I saw where Shep put a Cummins in one. This one will have light use for no more than we do. I sure hope it won't prove to be too big for us, but I could not buy any thing in the 60- 70 hp range that was not junk. This Oliver looks rough but I don't take tractors out to show or pull. Farm use only. I will build a shed for this one. No sense letting it go down any further. Seems like the winters are getting harder on me too. lol.

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T.K. Rahn

12-13-2002 19:49:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Mike D. shoot- it is an 1850 -sorry., 12-12-2002 06:03:55  
one thing about that 3 speed hydraulic shift, it tends to be the weak link, then the clutch, then the engine. My dad started his farm with an 1855 he bought the day after I was born, it pulls the mixer every day, we rebuilt the engine once, the 3 speed a few times and have never opened the transmission or rear end. You will have less clutch wear if you put the 3 speed in low before letting the clutch out, then shift the 3 speed up.

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Mike D.

12-14-2002 06:21:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to T.K. Rahn, 12-13-2002 19:49:09  
That is some history behind your dad's Oliver. I will remember that tip on saving the clutch. Thanks.



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Myron KY

12-12-2002 07:38:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Mike D. shoot- it is an 1850 -sorry., 12-12-2002 06:03:55  
Congratulations on your 1850. Sounds like you got a great deal. I was able to get manuals, for my 1850, from the Floyd County Museum. A copy of the owners manual for $20 and a original service manual for $65. Good luck with your Ollie.
Myron KY



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Mike D.

12-12-2002 08:06:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Myron KY, 12-12-2002 07:38:50  
Thank you Myron, I found the tractor as advertised and thought it over. Then I went to this forum and read as much as I could about this transmission and the Perkins diesel. When I read of all the varying pros and cons I felt pretty sure about buying it. I called the man that night and we set up a Paypal payment. It was a test of faith so to speak. I can't say it was anything but at the right place and for once at the right time. I really am as dumb as rock about this machine. But with a manual and some time before I have to put it to work maybe I'll get it figured out. I sure appreciate any and all advice concerning it. Thanks for the Floyd County site.

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Myron KY

12-12-2002 09:36:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Mike D., 12-12-2002 08:06:56  
Sounds like we followed similar paths in tractor selection. My 1850 was cheaper than most 50, 60 ,70 horse power tractors around. I also used the archives in researching models I was looking at. I still use them in researching problems. Another good site is Larry Harsin's Oliver Tractor site Olivertractor.com. As far as advice goes, the manuals are a good first step. Next I would change all fluids and filters. Then start working on the charging problem. This is my first OIiver also and I've been able perform my own repairs, and I'm no mechanic. As someone here once said, "They aren't hard to repair, just big". Myron KY

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Mike D.

12-12-2002 13:04:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Myron KY, 12-12-2002 09:36:53  
Seems like everyone wants a tractor that will pull a round baler, and handle some loader work. The nice 50 - 70 hp. tractors are hard to find as hen teeth. The ones I have looked at and emailed about have had a lot of hours on them, beat up a bit, and need some sort of work, maybe tires or a clutch, etc. Looked like buying someone elses trouble.

This site has helped me quite a bit. I quit worrying about sounding like a fool a long time ago, so I don't have a fear in asking the stupid questions. Everyone starts on the bottom is what the man told me. That is where I am on understanding these 1850 tractors.

I'll do just what you said on the fluid and filter changes. I'm going to fill up the tank before letting it sit some. May just get the electrical going as soon as I can put it under a shed.

Thanks once more Myron, nice to read you have done your own repairs. What seems to be the most common flaw with this model? The steering is very loose on ours. Is that common with these Olivers?
I have read some posts about that, too. We won't be on the road with ours, but I would like to fix the problem sometime in the future.

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Myron KY

12-12-2002 14:02:11




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Check your E-Mail.



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Mike D.

12-12-2002 14:57:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just bought a 1800 w/ 3600 hrs. on it. Need some help. in reply to Myron KY, 12-12-2002 14:02:11  
Great. Thanks!



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