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History of the Oliver 1950-T

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J.Hasert

08-31-2002 17:17:46




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With the 1/16 scale Ertl 1950-T coming out in November I am working on a short write up on the real model for my website toytractorshow.com. I searched the archives on this great board but could not find much on the 1950-T. I am trying to find the years it was produced, its hp and engine size and make. Was it a 6-cylinder? How does it differ from a 1950? I am guessing the T stands for turbo?

Thank you for your help. Oliver is a brand I need to read more about.

Jay

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WFE

09-02-2002 21:58:21




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 Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to J.Hasert, 08-31-2002 17:17:46  
Yep, I am going to say how much I like that 310 Waukesha. The 1950-T is certainly among my favorites in the Oliver line and my collection. It was introduced in mid-67 at the Growing "O" meetings as a new model. Of course the dual, in-line precleaners were a distinguishing feature of the early models, while the last production run in 1969 used the single precleaner style of the 1955. The 1950-T came to be primarily as a cost-reduction project for the 1950GM. The Detroit motor was expensive to purchase and, as was mentioned, noisy, which did bring about more than one complaint. It was much cheaper to use an existing in-house design (the 310) and turbocharge it for improved high altitude performance, power, and fuel economy. Again, cost rules all decisions in the engineering world. Some say for better, some say for worse. In initial production, the 310 did suffer from a number of design and manufacturing shortcomings. Poorly balanced cranks, lack of oil coolers on early 1855 models, insufficient rod bolts that fatigued and caused rod failures, two-piece wrist-pin bushings, etc. all added up to less than satisfactory reliability on a number of the 310s. Having said that, we can today overcome all of these said shortcomings and build the 310 to last long and powerful. We have built several and set them to 140-150 hp without trouble. Granted, these tractors aren't plowing at that power level 12 hours a day either. It's all about duty cycle and using common sense, but short durations at that power level are well within the 310s abilities. The rear ends of the 1950-T also had some issues that were cured later in production.

I don't want to be entirely negative. This was one great tractor with a number of industry-leading features: the Over/Under (best powershift in the industry - ps Hydra-Power and Revers-O-Torc were also optional or tractor could be equipped without any powershift); economical power from small displacement turbocharged engine; optional fender fuel tanks; dual speed and engine speed pto; tilt/telescopic steering wheel with full power steering; and excellent weight distribution.

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Foxtail

09-02-2002 06:03:31




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 Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to J.Hasert, 08-31-2002 17:17:46  
Never owned one, so my input may not help much. I suspect one of the reasons for the T was that it may have been a less expensive engine than it's GM counterpart. It could also use a narrower engine frame making it more adaptable for row crop work.



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Merlin in Saint Paul

09-02-2002 05:55:58




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 Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to J.Hasert, 08-31-2002 17:17:46  
Hi, J.! My Dad owns what I believe to be one of the very last Oliver 1950-T's. We special oedered it in the summer of 1969, and took delivery in mid-November. There was a long production delay due to the introduction of the '55 Series tractors. Ours is a four-wheel drive. It came with a three-speed, and a single air-cleaner element, instead of the dual element the earlier ones had. Most interesting is the fact that the transmission casting is actually designed for a '55 tractor, with a round, flat area to mount the Vickers closed-center hydraulic pump. I installed a turbocharged Cummins in April of 1992. It is a great machine!
Merlin

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Brad

09-01-2002 16:27:59




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 Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to J.Hasert, 08-31-2002 17:17:46  
I think the T was one of the coolest tractors made in the late 60's. My dad had one and it was always a good tractor. He had it dynoed once right after he first bought it, because he thought it was just to strong too actually be a 105 horsepower. The T registered 165 horsepower. He got them to turn it down a little bit so it would last longer and they got it down to around 130 or so. If you all want to see it its on the pictures page a couple of pages over. Anyway I think I would like to buy one of those toys. I'm glad there finally making it. Is it a precision or just a plain one?

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Dsl

09-01-2002 13:40:10




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 Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to J.Hasert, 08-31-2002 17:17:46  
Well, like some of the guys on this board have said from time to time, they tended to blow up, but, then, don't a lotta things that tend to blow up also tend to be cool??? IMHO, 1950-T's definitely tended to be cool...



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J.Hasert

09-01-2002 09:52:01




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 Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to J.Hasert, 08-31-2002 17:17:46  
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Thank you for the helpful replies. Here is the page I created: http://www.toytractorshow.com/oliver_1950-t.htm

It has the 1/16 1950-T pictured that will be released by Ertl and The Toy Farmer Magazine at the National Farm Toy Show in November. If there is anything else I should add or should change on the 1950-T page please let me know.

Jay

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j meyer- *a question for BA Star*

09-01-2002 12:04:40




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 Re: Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to J.Hasert, 09-01-2002 09:52:01  
Jay- your page looks very good. My dad's 1950T was a 4 wheel drive model, so I will for sure pick this one up. This is the Toy Farmer edition, right? I'll be keeping my eyes open for it this winter then. Any idea on price yet?? Just drop me an email on the one I listed above on information on this nice looking toy:)

Now my question for Mr. Starr. My dad's 1950T had a Hydra Power Drive. Were the really early models made with the Hydra Power or was this put in because the Over/Under went out. Dad said he was told it was a 1967 model, if that helps out any, and as I stated above, it was 4 wheel drive. Do you remember any 1950T's with hydra power? I'd be interesting to find out more about this tractor we had so many problems with. Thanks in advance:)

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J.Hasert

09-04-2002 09:35:23




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 Re: Re: Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to j meyer- *a question for BA Star*, 09-01-2002 12:04:40  
Sorry for the delayed response. Yes it is a Toy Farmer model. It is for the National Farm Toy Show. You had to order before July 15 to get one for the show from Toy Farmer. Ofcourse toy dealers will have ordered them to sell. I want to say they were $48 or $52. I only ordered the 1/64 version which was $11. It looks like it will be a great Oliver toy.

Here is some information on it http://www.toytractorshow.com/toy_farmer.htm

Jay

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B A Star

09-01-2002 21:55:49




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 Re: Re: Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to j meyer- *a question for BA Star*, 09-01-2002 12:04:40  
The 1950T was factory built with the two speed Hydra-Power Drive. I believe that all of the early production tractors had the Hydra-Power. I think that the three speed became available at serial number 195 046 000, although after that Serial Number, it could be ordered with either.



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B A Star

08-31-2002 22:05:51




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 Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to J.Hasert, 08-31-2002 17:17:46  
The Oliver 1950 tractor had proven to be a good tractor, however, It had some drawbacks. The GM engine was very nosiey, only the young wanted to listen to it all day. The engine was to have a free 150 hour checkup by a Authorized Detroit Diesel Service Station. They were few and far between, thus we had difficulty getting them to do the work. Most dealers could not or did not want to service the engine since they did not have parts or trained mechanics. The dealer could not order engine parts from Oliver and had to go to the Detroit Dealer, thus did not get the markup. The 1950 had a wider frame as compared to the 6 cylinder tractors, thus special loaders and all other front mounted equipment had to be made for the tractor. The 1950T was originally planned for introduction with the 1750 tractor and the Over/Under Hydraul, however, it was held back for almost a year. First tractors were built very late in 1967. The 1950T was a tractor that met the competion in power, engine configuration and styling. It is correct, the 1950T was the first turbo charged engine used by Oliver.

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MikeO - duh

08-31-2002 18:23:18




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 Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to J.Hasert, 08-31-2002 17:17:46  
I apologize for the 3-peat. My computer kept giving me an error message that I had to resend.
Sorry.



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MikeO

08-31-2002 18:21:27




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 Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to J.Hasert, 08-31-2002 17:17:46  
I can't give you actual history, but I do know that Oliver did have a GM version and a Waukesha version of the 990 tractor earlier. We have a 1950 and numerous 1855's and one 1955. No 1950T. The way I look at the 1950T, is that it was a marriage of the 1950 rear end with the 1955 front end. I do know that my 1855's and 1955 operate much quietor than my 1950 and this may have been some of the impetus to change engines. Maybe someone else has more details.

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MikeO

08-31-2002 18:21:21




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 Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to J.Hasert, 08-31-2002 17:17:46  
I can't give you actual history, but I do know that Oliver did have a GM version and a Waukesha version of the 990 tractor earlier. We have a 1950 and numerous 1855's and one 1955. No 1950T. The way I look at the 1950T, is that it was a marriage of the 1950 rear end with the 1955 front end. I do know that my 1855's and 1955 operate much quietor than my 1950 and this may have been some of the impetus to change engines. Maybe someone else has more details.

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MikeO

08-31-2002 18:21:12




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 Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to J.Hasert, 08-31-2002 17:17:46  
I can't give you actual history, but I do know that Oliver did have a GM version and a Waukesha version of the 990 tractor earlier. We have a 1950 and numerous 1855's and one 1955. No 1950T. The way I look at the 1950T, is that it was a marriage of the 1950 rear end with the 1955 front end. I do know that my 1855's and 1955 operate much quietor than my 1950 and this may have been some of the impetus to change engines. Maybe someone else has more details.

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j meyer

08-31-2002 18:02:40




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 Re: History of the Oliver 1950-T in reply to J.Hasert, 08-31-2002 17:17:46  
Hello there. Well, the 1950T was made from 1967-1969. It was rated at 105 horsepower, and the engine was the infamous Waukesha 310. We owned one of these famed tractors and blew then engine twice. My dad just shakes his head is disbelief whenever you bring that tractor up. WFE, a regular on our discussion board will tell you how well he likes the 310 engines. The 1950T was turbocharged, as stated in the title of the tractor. I am not sure, but I am guessing Oliver made this tractor to get their foot into the turboed tractor market. B.A. Star can tell you better on the reasoning on this model. The 1950 ran the GM diesel engine. Other then that, I am sure others will add remarks, or correct any info I may have screwed up on. Is there any pictures of this toy on any websites??? I'll have to buy it, its an Oliver:)

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