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55 series hercules?

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Tim

07-08-2002 19:33:35




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I was just wondering why oliver didn't have a
55 series tractor with the hercules engine like the 2050 and the 2150. It seems odd because they
made the 2-135 white later on with that engine.




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B A Star

07-09-2002 22:08:29




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 Re: 55 series hercules? in reply to Tim, 07-08-2002 19:33:35  
To answer the question, you have to understand the politics within the companies (Oliver & MM ) at the time.



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Shep

07-09-2002 11:59:20




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 Re: 55 series hercules? in reply to Tim, 07-08-2002 19:33:35  
I agree, they should have put the 478 Hurk in the 1855 and 1955 instead of turbocharging the 310. Would have made a lot better tractor. I imagine they didnt because of money, I would guess the 310 Waukesha cost less for Oliver to build than it did to buy the 354 Perkins or the 478 Hurk. Just my guess, anyone else have a thought???



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Jake

07-12-2002 04:32:47




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 Re: Re: 55 series hercules? in reply to Shep, 07-09-2002 11:59:20  
Why use the 478 is a 100 hp tractor? The 3400 series Herc would have handled the turbo much better than the 310 and would have produced a reliable 120 hp without even thinking about it.

Having said that, I am not sure when the 3400 series came out, but I think it would have been around the right time frame.



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WFE

07-10-2002 00:15:43




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 Re: Re: 55 series hercules? in reply to Shep, 07-09-2002 11:59:20  
I would say, right on, Shep. Turbocharging the 310 WAS INDEED a cost reduction project at Oliver in the mid 1960s. First introduced on the 1950-T to replace the GM diesel in the 1950, it saved Oliver considerable money (and of course many would say it cost them plenty too) to put a turbocharged version of the 310 already in existence in higher hp tractors to replace the outsourced engines used in them. Next on the list was the 1955 (successor to the 1950-T) and the 1855, which replaced the 1850 and eliminated another outsourced engine (at least for a while), the 354 Perkins in the 1850. Cost rules all.

Having said that, I'm sure it is no secret by now that I like the 310 Waukesha, and actually don't regret that Oliver turbocharged it and used it as they did. A 478 Herc in the 1855 and 1955 would mean pretty poor fuel economy compared to the 310. The only thing I would have done differently would be to have built them right in the first place with all of the well-known updates we have today and rebuild procedures we know of in use during their production. The 310 is great in performance and can be built to be durable. Too bad it wasn't that way to begin with, I agree.

Regarding the 2055/2155 models, I agree that one needs to understand the politics in place at the time to appreciate the decision to discontinue the fine 2050/2150 platform that had great potential. Still, the 2055/2155 had their own, unique Oliver identity, and I'd love to have one in my possession someday.

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bob

07-10-2002 03:30:48




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 Re: Re: Re: 55 series hercules? in reply to WFE, 07-10-2002 00:15:43  
What about takeing a 1855 rear end and bolting a 1850 front tub and 354 perkins up to it. Would this be a go combination?



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Shep

07-10-2002 08:04:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 55 series hercules? in reply to bob, 07-10-2002 03:30:48  
Yes Bob, that will work with a few modifications. I have seen tractors like that. A few things to look at if you do this repower is to put the belt driven Hydraulic circulator pump off of the 1855 onto the Perkins engine and change the top of the power steering cylinder so that you can have a return line off the top. I would also keep the 1855 three speed and bolt it up to the perkins engine, unless the 1850 has a three speed in it. Other than that it should be a fairly simple conversion and will work well. Also when the Perkins does give up you will be more than halfway toward a Cummins repower. :-D

Good luck

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