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j meyer

03-24-2002 10:20:37

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Ever since I asked people on their thoughts on the Oliver 1850 and 4020 JD, its been nothing but a mess on this message board. Different folks making jerky comments, others saying untrue remarks(both brands). Heck, now people are bickering over Kinze planters vs Deere planters. We need to end this all NOW! I'm sorry I even brought the subject up, because all anyone knows is what they think is right and they have to get their two cents in. Please end this all now people!

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This is the real ME!

03-25-2002 16:03:26

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Re: we need to end this madness in reply to j meyer, 03-24-2002 10:20:37

I had to work O.T.today! Glad to do it,too!
Now we had some some John Deere first.Just some!! The ones i had are just some of the ones for tractors. There are lots more.

Also Allis first. Lots of them. And its good to know this stuff.

But you Oliver guys come up with just TWO things. Is this all you have?

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1206SWMO

03-25-2002 08:34:35

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Re: we need to end this madness in reply to j meyer, 03-24-2002 10:20:37

j.meyer,I have bad news for you.It wont end until the last two people on earth are dead.Every color tractor ever built had its good points and its bad points.

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Josh

03-24-2002 14:47:59

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Re: we need to end this madness in reply to j meyer, 03-24-2002 10:20:37

I agree. Nobody is ever going to agree on this issue and it is just plugging up this board with JD fans acting like 3 year olds. Please stop the madness.

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OH-MY

03-24-2002 13:11:58

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Re: we need to end this madness in reply to j meyer, 03-24-2002 10:20:37

John Deere didn't have the best tractors , just the best dealerships. That was a first, to have a real dealerships, not just a ole Blacksmith's shop or Hardware store and sellin a mix of things.
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ME!!

03-24-2002 11:31:40

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Re: we need to end this madness in reply to j meyer, 03-24-2002 10:20:37

Now you! know how it feels. We put up with this all the time on the John Deere board.
From Oliver,IH MM MF AC Case Gleaner and others. John Deere two cylinders didn't have this and didn't have that.John Deere this and John Deere that.
Well! John Deere has lots of industry first. Yes! on Two Cylinders. Lots of other tractors had Two Cylinders. IH Case Advance Rumely AND YOUR OWN (HART PARR) Yes! the Hart Parr H12-24 had Two Cylinders. It took John Deere to make the Two Cylinder better then any other company did. If you want a list of other industry first made by John Deere,I'll by happy to give it to you.

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George

03-24-2002 17:57:53

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Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to ME!!, 03-24-2002 11:31:40

John Deere made the first plows but not the first at anything else. Oliver had six cylinder engines in 1937 while deere was still fooling around with 2 cylinders, and god didn't intend for a clutch to be operated by hand. Where was deere at with mechanical Front wheel drive. They must have gotten their tractor production line confused with their combines because a tractor should not have a mud hog on the front of it. Oliver had MFWA on their 50 series.

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ME!

03-24-2002 19:35:03

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Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to George , 03-24-2002 17:57:53

Here we go.
John Deere industry first
A position manifold in cold weather it could be set to hot diverting exhaust gases around the fuel air passages.

Adjustable wheel tread and one piece transmission case.

Power Trol

Roll-O-Matic.

Duplex carburetion Rack and pinion rear wheel tread adjustment (still used today)

1954 factory installed power steering John Deere engineers used built in hydraulics to control the steering column.

Custom power trol

Float ride seat

Hydraulic power brakes

Roll Gard

Hydraulic power differential lock

Posture seat,designed by Dr. Janet Travall
who was later White house physician for Pres John F Kennedy

Enter Intercoolers

Sound Gard body

Theres lots more!!!

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Allis firsts.

03-25-2002 14:03:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to ME!, 03-24-2002 19:35:03

He we go.
Allis-Chalmers and Gleaner firsts: Oil filter 1921
fuel filter 1921
air filter 1921
dry air filter 1961
turbocharger 1955
intercooler 1962
spin out rear wheels 1948
Traction Booster w/lower link sensing 1948
position control 1948
remote cylinder 1937
direct injection diesel 1935
helical gear transmission 1947
alternator 1963
pressure&flow compesated hydraulics 1973
combustion crater in top of piston 1935
Roll-Shift front axle 1957
one piece transmission and frame 1914
successful small combine 1935
Rub-bar cylinder bars 1935
variable speed cylinder 1935
governor controlled cleaning fan speed 1935
rock ejection door 1951
visual tailings return 1951
corn head 1931
electro-hydraulic controls 1972
torque sensing drives 1972
shaft monitor system 1971
power fold ladder 1976
quick attachable headers 1957
auger platform 1930
harvest efficiency monitor 1978
quick attachable cultivator & other equipment 1929
rubber ag tires 1931
calcium choloride filled tires 1937
high speed farming tractor 1934
side console controls 1963
No-Til planter 1964
Unit planter 1959
round baler 1947
front unload manure spreader 1956
stripper plates on corn picker 1941
On-the-go adjustable stripper plates 1955
pitmanless drive sickle mower 1956
zero pressure guage wheel tires 1957
rubber mounted digger shanks 1968
semi-mounted tillage tools 1953
rubber mounted plow disc coulters 1970
hydraulic automatic reset plow 1970
up & back furrow bottom trip design 1970

I could go on and on and on and on..... ..... ...

Innovation and industry firsts do not breed success as well as good business and marketing does.

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Elmer

03-26-2002 17:56:34

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Allis firsts., 03-25-2002 14:03:00

David Brown boasted about having pioneered direct injection in 1948. I never saw an Allis with direct injection dating back that far. I rebuilt a D17 diesel and it was indirect. I would be interested in more info on that subject.

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03-27-2002 20:29:36

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Elmer, 03-26-2002 17:56:34

He is talking about the diesel Allis crawlers like the KO and LO models I believe. They used a unique system of direct injection into a cup in the piston and then a spark plug ignited the fuel air mixture. Compression was only about 6.5 to 1 or so. I know of a stationary E Allis engine in the area set up this way.

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Elmer

03-28-2002 04:10:09

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to LL, 03-27-2002 20:29:36

Thanks for the info, then maybe David Brown is boasting about having the first true direct injection diesel.

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amazed at all the time you slackers have

03-25-2002 14:19:55

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Allis firsts., 03-25-2002 14:03:00

Maybe you guys should all get a job or a life or something, i never in my life seen so much bul%$# over one rather stupid question in the first place

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YOU don't know ME!

03-25-2002 15:08:42

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to amazed at all the time you slackers have, 03-25-2002 14:19:55

Monday is my day off and my wife's at work. I'm here with my 3 month old daughter who is sleeping at the moment and if I want to respond with all this bul%$# then I will do just that with or without your blessings. If you don't like it pass on by a$$#@!& or counter my findings. After my wife gets home I'll go out and tend to my cattle (WHICH IS ONLY ONE OF MY HOBBIES) but for now I'm here. Jack Suess.

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Mike (WA)

03-25-2002 17:54:12

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to YOU don't know ME!, 03-25-2002 15:08:42

At least we didn't catch you on a day you were touchy! I hesitate to imagine what that would look like.

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I'm feeling MMMMMMMUCH better now.

03-26-2002 17:47:10

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Mike (WA), 03-25-2002 17:54:12

Drove collector tractor tonite.

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Me!

03-24-2002 18:13:09

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Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to George , 03-24-2002 17:57:53

Lots of tractors had a hand clutch. Hart Parr,Case IHC Titan 10-20,Advance Rumely,Massey Harris Pacemaker,Wallis Certified, Chase,Fairbanks Morse,Minneapolis Moline,and many more.
John Deere was not the last one to use a hand clutch,i think it was MM

The hand clutch was much better then the Allis Chalmers (hand brakes.)

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Darren

03-24-2002 18:09:34

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Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to George , 03-24-2002 17:57:53

ACtually John deere DIDN'T make the first plows...they IMPROVED them

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ME!

03-24-2002 19:02:08

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Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Darren, 03-24-2002 18:09:34

John Deere gave to the world the steel plow in 1837
It was just an idea,but it worked from a broken sawmill blade John Deere forged the first steel plow that scoured successfully in the rich but sticky prairie soil.

That was at Grand Detour,Illinois

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jerry Gerthofer

03-24-2002 19:13:24

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to ME!, 03-24-2002 19:02:08

your right man. i got the town wrong. any how i was there last summer quite a site to see..... .

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Darren

03-24-2002 19:19:21

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to jerry Gerthofer, 03-24-2002 19:13:24

That's right...I remember reading about the saw blade one time. So is it like a museum there ME?

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03-25-2002 04:24:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Darren, 03-24-2002 19:19:21

That's the John Deere Historic site.
I have been there 3 times,it's really something to see. It's full of History!!
Archaeological site!
Blacksmith's Shop!
John Deere's Home!
Visitor's Center!

The Historic site is open daily from 9am to 5pm April 1 to November 30

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Jerry

03-24-2002 18:25:43

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Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Darren, 03-24-2002 18:09:34

M.R. john deere built the first plow. in moline ill. I took a tour if the site this summer..... ..... .....

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Darren

03-24-2002 18:48:43

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Jerry , 03-24-2002 18:25:43

I went to the John Deere site and looked in the history, I'm not trying to be a pain here but this is a "cut and paste" directly from the site:

"The Story of John Deere
The story of John Deere, who developed the world's first commercially successful, self-scouring steel plow..." the way I'm looking at this is the STELL part, 'cause I'm quite sure there were other plows before hand.

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Darren

03-24-2002 18:33:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Jerry , 03-24-2002 18:25:43

I think he was indeed the first to add steel or something to the plow, but I really believe that he just perfected it. I'll look it up here to make sure. Not trying to knock either side...there's all shades of green on my farm! I'm just a history buff!!

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Oliver first chilled steel plow

03-25-2002 12:31:36

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Darren, 03-24-2002 18:33:17

was perfection! John Deere improved from the cast iron plow to steel. Oliver improved from steel to first chilled steel. LDL.

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Darren

03-25-2002 18:47:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Oliver first chilled steel plow, 03-25-2002 12:31:36

Cool...I learn more every day!! Thanks!!

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Jason

03-24-2002 14:12:18

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Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to ME!!, 03-24-2002 11:31:40

me,everyone else had 4&6cyl.engines for 30yrs while deere was trying to perfect the 2cyl.gee,thats progress.HAHAHA!

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03-24-2002 16:54:12

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Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Jason, 03-24-2002 14:12:18

for all thirty of those years the two-cylinder was doing the same work for less money

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Bill

03-24-2002 17:24:59

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Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to RK, 03-24-2002 16:54:12

That's right! John Deere set many fuel economy records at Nebraska, with the Two Cylinder tractors.

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Only on the diesels

03-27-2002 20:31:44

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Bill, 03-24-2002 17:24:59

The gassers weren't very efficient.

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03-24-2002 14:52:07

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Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Jason, 03-24-2002 14:12:18

That's why John Deere could use the Two Cylinder so long. They had it right long before they stopped using it. Oliver sure didn't perfect the 6 cylinder.

Hey you guys! Tell me what did Oliver have first other then live pto? Or was it Cockshutt that had live pto first. IH was the vary first with pto.

We all had something first! some of them good.some bad. Someone asked about Cat and John Deere and the track type tractor. Look at it this way! we all would be on steel,because AC used rubber tires first,should the rest of us still be on steel. Also Cat or John Deere don't make the track,they just use it.

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Gary

03-24-2002 15:18:04

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Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Me, 03-24-2002 14:52:07

I hate to tell you on the PTO you're all wrong because Hart PArr had a live PTO back in the 20's

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Scott Green

03-24-2002 18:38:30

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Gary, 03-24-2002 15:18:04

Yes Gary , I'll back you on that one. You are correct. Then Oliver had it in late 1945. It was in the fields on proto oliver "88"s. After that , Cockshutt introduced live PTO in 1946.

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03-24-2002 15:39:58

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Gary, 03-24-2002 15:18:04

That's good to know! One of by books said Cockshutt. But i had a feeling it was Hart Parr,or Oliver. In the book 100 years of IH they say they had PTO first. But it was not live!

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j meyer

03-24-2002 11:36:45

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Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to ME!!, 03-24-2002 11:31:40

Hi whoever "me" is- Lets just put up the white flag on this subject. I am sick of everyone bitching back and forth. OK?

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WEK

03-25-2002 19:10:24

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Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to j meyer, 03-24-2002 11:36:45

In my surfing of all the ag tractor boards I find that almost without exception they are peopled by immature people, or mentally-challenged morons. In the first place, I think that troglodytes who have to be constantly putting down a brand of vehicle (be it car, truck or tractor!) that is other than the brand they are using/driving/owning have somehow missed class whenever God was passing out maturity certificates. A mature person likes his own preference in a brand, buys that brand, and does not constantly go around knocking other brands. I figure these mental giants who go around posting nonsensical things on boards are just snotty-nosed school kids who, thanks to there no longer being a military conscription, are reduced to haunting ag tractor forums and stirring up trouble and, shame on all you old geezers who let your chains be yanked by these young acephalous cretins!

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Joe Smith

04-29-2005 14:14:02

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Ryan

03-25-2002 19:24:10

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Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to WEK, 03-25-2002 19:10:24

I agree with WEK, just in shorter words. If you like JD or Yanmar or what ever, hang out in their forum. If you want to talk about how your tractor is the best and mine can't pull a fat lady on a tricycle, go to the coffee shop where you don't waste space on a page that I use to learn useful things.

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ME!

03-26-2002 15:02:12

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: we need to end this madness in reply to Ryan, 03-25-2002 19:24:10

John Deere is useful!

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