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Can either 12 volt generator OR alternator be used for 12 volt conversion?

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D. Groff

01-21-2002 15:27:57




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Thanks Tom for the info. You said 12 volt generator or 12 volt alternator from a car. Can either one be used to convert the crawler?




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Denny

01-25-2002 14:46:01




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 Re: can either 12 volt generator OR alternator be used for 12 volt conversion? in reply to D. Groff, 01-21-2002 15:27:57  
This might cause a fire storm but I have been able, on some systems, to get the old 6 volt generator to charge sufficiently to maintain a 12 volt battery by simply going to full (or nearly full) field. It undoubtedly is a strain on the 6 volt generator and a definite strain on the 6 volt regulator but what the he.., you were going to toss it anyway and put something else in its place. I've been using my Massey Harris 44 Special this way for about 8 months. I figure it will eventually need to be changed to an alternator. If you don't use the tractor much, ....

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Bob M

01-22-2002 05:40:12




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 Re: can either 12 volt generator OR alternator be used for 12 volt conversion? in reply to D. Groff, 01-21-2002 15:27:57  
Either will work.

Generator advantages: A 12 V generator looks like the 6 V original. Alternator advantages: Higher output, charges at idle, less maintenance, usually cheaper to install.



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Alberta Mike

01-23-2002 12:51:59




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 Re: Re: can either 12 volt generator OR alternator be used for 12 volt conversion? in reply to Bob M, 01-22-2002 05:40:12  
All good points in your post, however one factor is the "look" (or sometimes even the fit) of a 12V auto generator on a tractor. Very often the auto generators were somewhat bigger than the original 6V tractor ones. Personally, I like the look of a generator on an old tractor, and once their set up and working they do as good a job as an alternator, but they're not as bulletproof for charging.

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Steve T

02-02-2002 10:04:59




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 Re: Re: Re: can either 12 volt generator OR alternator be used for 12 volt conversion? in reply to Alberta Mike, 01-23-2002 12:51:59  
Hi Mike, Im with you on the looks of a generator on old tractors. Im half was through restoring a 1940 Farmall "A" tractor and wanted to convert it over to 12 volts. I am going to buy the smallest 12 volt battery that can be had because the engine is only a 123cid and doesnt need a big monster to spin it over. I got a generator and regulator that was originally from a early to mid 60's Ford Falcon and spent a lot of time making a bracket to bolt it up. I took the generator apart, sanded it, primed it, and painted it the same time I painted the engine. From a short distance you can tell its a generator and most folks will think its a 6 volt set up, untill you look real close at the generator. Even then you dont know if its a 6 or 12 set up. The battery is hid inside the battery box and thats really the only give-a-way that its a 12 volt system. Install a alternator and there is no doubt that its been converted. The little Farmalls engine only spins at around 1540 RPM compared to the Fords 4000 plus RPM, and your right about it not charging as much at the lower RPM. I gave this some thought before I went to a 12 volt generator and came to the conclusion that I dont need that kind of high charging because of the lack of accesories on the tractor that was on the car. Hi and low beam head lights, brake and tail lights,dash lights, windshield wipers, turn signals, heater, radio, ignition system and the such. The only thing the little Farmall needs juice for is the starter and lights (Magneto fired) and I dont see that I will ever need the lights much either. Most all of these old tractors used a Delco-remy generator so if a person really wants the crowd to wonder if its a 6 or 12, then use a generator from a GM car or truck from 1956(?) to 1964 so that you will have a generator with the Delco-remy tag on it. How ever, the tag will most likely have a "12 volt" stamping on it. One more thing on car generators, make sure you match the regulator to the generator as they are not all made the same on the inside. Sorry for the long responce, I guess I just like generators.
Steve T

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Don

02-03-2002 21:34:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: can either 12 volt generator OR alternator be used for 12 volt conversion? in reply to Steve T, 02-02-2002 10:04:59  
I am using 4 older tractors all came with 6volt systems and gen. my 2 farmalls don`t have any working gen I eather crank them by hand or put them on the charger once a week, my oliver still has a gen. but went to 12 volt and if it idles too long it kills the battery, and my massey I changed to 12 volt and a single pole alternator and is the only one I can depend on to have a full charge . I plan to change the farmalls to 6 volt alts and the oliver to a 12 volt alt she uses alot of power for some reason .You can find general purpose alt. in both 6 volt and 12 volt in J.C.Whitney catalog

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Don

02-03-2002 21:33:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: can either 12 volt generator OR alternator be used for 12 volt conversion? in reply to Steve T, 02-02-2002 10:04:59  
I am using 4 older tractors all came with 6volt systems and gen. my 2 farmalls don`t have any working gen I eather crank them by hand or put them on the charger once a week, my oliver still has a gen. but went to 12 volt and if it idles too long it kills the battery, and my massey I changed to 12 volt and a single pole alternator and is the only one I can depend on to have a full charge . I plan to change the farmalls to 6 volt alts and the oliver to a 12 volt alt she uses alot of power for some reason .You can find general purpose alt. in both 6 volt and 12 volt in J.C.Whitney catalog

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