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Bruce Shaver

01-18-2002 11:20:22




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Oliver 66, 77 & 88's usually have red wheels and yellow trim (grill). I occasionally find them with white wheels & trim. I thought that designated newer tractors (880's etc.). I know of a 66 that is being auctioned soon that has white wheels & trim. I prefer red & yellow. What does the color of the wheels & trim designate (if anything?)




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Zeus

01-20-2002 07:43:16




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 Re: Oliver Paint Trim in reply to Bruce Shaver, 01-18-2002 11:20:22  
Bruce,

The standard factory color for all Oliver 66,77,88,99 (6 cyl) were green tractor, yellow grille, red wheels. The Super Series (Super 66, etc, had the same color scheme except when they were first introduced they had green wheels; later on Oliver reverted back to red wheels on them, apparently because of farmers preferring the red (as I do); The first tractors to have what you refer to as "white" wheels were the three-digit tractors; 550, 660, 770, 880, 990, 950, 995. Their green color was also modified. The 66 tractors you see with white wheels are painted incorrectly. I think that somebody probably is trying to fool somebody into thinking the tractor is newer than what it is by painting the wheels white. As to seeing one, I don't have to go any farther than a close relative of mine in Indiana whose Olivers are ALL painted the incorrect color (he has a 60, 66 and Super 88 and they not only have the incorrect color wheels [white], but the wrong type of decals!!). I think that people may tend to repaint their tractors whatever color they like, even if the color is incorrect, but it really throws the young folks who are trying to be authentic in their restorations. This occurs with other makes, too. I am constantly seeing 1941 Farmalls with hood side decals that have the IH emblem (which didn't come about until 1945) and the "Deering" missing from "McCormick-Deering" (which didn't come about until 1948). That is why you don't want to put too much stock in restored tractors insofar as authenticity. Sometimes restorers must of necessity have to substitute mechanical parts (simply because the original types are no longer available), but there is never any excuse for painting a tractor the incorrect color or using the wrong type of decals. Sorry to be so long-winded here, but as a former teacher I tend to get carried away with the why and wherefore of everything. I also grew up with all these tractors when they came out of the factories brand-new! Hope this helps. Zeus

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Warren

01-21-2002 09:03:08




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 Re: Re: Oliver Paint Trim in reply to Zeus, 01-20-2002 07:43:16  
Zeus,

Maybe you know the answer to this: On some of the Oliver 77's, you will see the yellow of the front grill and casting continue in a narrow line all the way back along the frame. Some of the fleetlines have this and some don't. I have been told that this began or ended at some time during the production run of the fleetlines, but I don't know if that is true.
The reason I ask, is that my '51 Oliver 77 does not have the yellow line along the frame. My Oliver is all original paint. I was told that all of the 1951 fleetlines had the line extending back.
Who to believe and how do I get a definitive answer to this?
Thanks.

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Zeus

01-21-2002 11:41:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Oliver Paint Trim in reply to Warren, 01-21-2002 09:03:08  
Warren, yes there were changes in the paint trim during the production run of the Fleetlines. For example, according to Mr. Morrell, only the 1948 and 1949 Fleetlines had the yellow metal strip that extends back along the top of the hood (center) from the grille. I know what strip you are talking about (the one that extends back along the frame from the bottom of the grille), but I'm not really sure I can give you a definitive answer until I do a little research. As I have mentioned many times before re various makes, one cannot go by looking at restored tractors because I have found that most owners and/or restorers (unless they are the original owners since the tractor left the factory) do not have the correct colors, decals, etc for their particular tractor. I think that perhaps the yellow stripe may have been on tractors up to 1951, but I will have to investigate and get back to you. In the meantime, you might want to check with Ms Sherry Schaefer (who publishes the HPOCA magazine) and she might be able to give you your answer right off the bat. You can e-mail her at [email protected]

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Jerry B

01-21-2002 11:32:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Oliver Paint Trim in reply to Warren, 01-21-2002 09:03:08  
You can tell if the tractor was supposed to have the yellow stipe down the frame by looking for a raised "rib" that runs just below the side curtains. This rib was tapered wide at the front and narrow towards the rear. When Oliver quit painting the stripe they quit casting the rib into the frame sides. This happened around 51 I believe. My 49 and my 50 both have the rib but a frame I took from a 51 did not have this rib.

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warren

01-21-2002 13:40:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver Paint Trim in reply to Jerry B, 01-21-2002 11:32:39  
Jerry and Zeus,
Thanks for the response. By a "rib", do you mean a smooth flat spot on the casting where the stripe would be painted, or do you mean a raised rib or edge? If I remember correctly, my casting has a flat spot - wider at the front and tapering toward the back. But it certainly has no yellow paint - clear down to the metal.
I suppose that if they did change in 1951, that mine may have had the area for the yellow paint but did not get it.
Too bad, I do like the yellow stripe as an accent.
Thanks.
Warren

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Zeus

01-21-2002 15:29:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oliver Paint Trim in reply to warren, 01-21-2002 13:40:01  
Warren, my advice to you is if you like it, I would go ahead and paint it on. I tend to agree with you that both the yellow frame stripe and the hood stripe add a lot to the beauty of the Fleetlines and if I lived in the country ( I live in a huge metropolitan area) I would surely have one and I would make sure it had those two additional touches. Life's too short to worry about Mickey Mouse things; so go ahead and paint the stripe!

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Jerry B

01-21-2002 11:32:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Oliver Paint Trim in reply to Warren, 01-21-2002 09:03:08  
You can tell if the tractor was supposed to have the yellow stipe down the frame by looking for a raised "rib" that runs just below the side curtains. This rib was tapered wide at the front and narrow towards the rear. When Oliver quit painting the stripe they quit casting the rib into the frame sides. This happened around 51 I believe. My 49 and my 50 both have the rib but a frame I took from a 51 did not have this rib.

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Paul Stanley

01-19-2002 10:40:35




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 Re: Oliver Paint Trim in reply to Bruce Shaver, 01-18-2002 11:20:22  
I have never seen a 66 with white wheels. Someone must have liked the color.



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