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2-70 White vs White American 60

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Dwight

12-16-2001 14:01:55




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For about a year now I've been considering buying a 60-80hp tractor to replace the Jet-3 MM that I have been using for most everything. I've been considering the White American series and the White 2-70 as a suitable replacement. I stopped by the local (if you call 60 miles local) Agco dealer and he told me that the American Series was horrible and that they had more updates than any tractor they sold. He said the 80 was better than the 60 and that the tractor was a 1755 rear-end with a Cummings motor spliced to it. He also said the 1650, 1655, 2-70 series were OK but the engines were prone to failure resulting it gapeing holes in the block. "If you want to buy parts from me buy one of those...at about 4000-5000 hours you will need a major." He went on to suggest 2 tractors. The first was the 1850 (which is really too big for my needs) and the second were the 1365 - 2-60 Fiat made tractors and the Iseki-Whites of the eighties. He said that he rarely gets these in trade an that the part requests are even fewer. These fellas have been dealers for 50 years and seem to know their business. I guess that I need some help from others who might have some other insight. I use these tractors and want to have a good durable unit. Thanks for your help.

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Doug Brunnette

11-08-2005 20:49:53




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 Re: 2-70 White vs White American 60 in reply to Dwight, 12-16-2001 14:01:55  
Dear Mr. Brunnette (Ike for short)

I have tried the Model Utah 1000 and it is amazing. The auto-drive feature is particularly noteworthy. By using the remote control from your front porch you can direct the tractor in any direction you wish. The fact that it can be powered by wild grasses is an additional feature. You may want to take one for a test drive. We have one on our property in Kaysville, Utah. Just call or email and we will set up a visit.

Sincerely,

Doug Hoo

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Glenn

12-17-2001 09:46:38




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 Re: 2-70 White vs White American 60 in reply to Dwight, 12-16-2001 14:01:55  
My Dad bought a 2-70 in 1977 and we never had any trouble with it. Sold it in 1999 because I went to no-till, and am using a White 2-105 for that. It was a very good tractor.
- Glenn



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Dwight Brunnette

12-17-2001 10:27:55




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 Re: Re: 2-70 White vs White American 60 in reply to Glenn, 12-17-2001 09:46:38  
Thanks for the feedback. I have used a neighbors 2-70 a couple of times and find it to a reliable workhorse. The fields that I work on hillsides and the extra weight is nice with big loads. The reason I was thinking of the American series is because of the thrify engines and the possibility of hydraulic brakes to help control the occasional down hill trips. I gather that they maybe easier to start in the winter too compared to the 283 diesel. The Fiat and Iseki tractors have very good reputations from the other people who have owned them. I have found people who have put 15,000 hours on one without touching the engine. I know that there is a significant group of people who don't care for the imported Oliver/White products for whatever reason but they did provide some good sturdy reliable tractors from what I'm hearing. The Oliver in me says get the 2-70 and the user part of me says to be open to other White products. How much will a good 2-70 or a 80 cost. Thanks. Dwight

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Glenn

12-18-2001 12:13:31




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 Re: Re: Re: 2-70 White vs White American 60 in reply to Dwight Brunnette, 12-17-2001 10:27:55  
We sold our 2-70 for $6000 US, with 3300 hours on the clock. Prices can vary of course, depending on the condition of the tractor.
- Glenn



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WFE

12-16-2001 21:05:25




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 Re: 2-70 White vs White American 60 in reply to Dwight, 12-16-2001 14:01:55  
I've got a bone to pick with your White dealer. The 2-70 had a workhorse of a diesel engine, and we've run several of the 283 cu. in. engines used in the 2-70, 1655, and later 1650s well into the 6000 hour range before we overhauled them, but none had a catastrophic failure like throwing a rod. Your dealer is thinking of the 310 engine used in the 1755, 1855, 1955, 1750, and 1950-T. These were noted for throwing rods for reasons we've discussed on this forum previously. But don't be misled; the 2-70 is one tough tractor. The White American was also a good tough tractor. We haven't had any problems in over 12 years of running one. It sounds to me like your dealer was trying to scare you into buying something more expensive, or even new, at the cost of being most disrespectful of our beloved older Whites. Shame on him...

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Lee

12-16-2001 16:03:42




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 Re: 2-70 White vs White American 60 in reply to Dwight, 12-16-2001 14:01:55  
You might want to check that dealers Ash Tray.



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brian

12-16-2001 14:37:55




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 Re: 2-70 White vs White American 60 in reply to Dwight, 12-16-2001 14:01:55  
A friend of mine does highway mowing and has about 15 white american 60's. He loves them and has had little trouble with them. The moter itself should be fault free. It was my understanding that it was a 1555 used in the american series instead of the 1755. Check the axle measurements. Esentually your getting the same tractor when you buy the american over the 2-70 or 1655. Just a few updates such as electronin over/under shift and the fuel efficient cummins. Big difference in price but all should be excellent tractors if they have been well maintained. The 1365 is a good little tractor. It is a fiat design and if you've ever driven a Long 510 or 560 it's about the same. Hard to get parts for. These guys must not have been an Oliver dealer for that long or they would know how good these tractors are.

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