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1850 Gas shopping trip: What I saw and questions.

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Dale Frenz

12-08-2001 15:15:18

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I drove three hours to check out the 1850 Gas wide front today. Not a bad tractor at all. Metal is all pretty darn straight (Paint is crap). Engine fired right off with minimal effort on a cold, damp Indiana morning. Exhaust color was clear after warm-up. Engine is pretty clean. No questionable wet, greasy spots. I was disappointed with the "weather-checked" tires that the dealer thinks are good for anything but hard plowing.
Questions: Do all Oliver's roar like crazy at PTO speed (2600 RPM)? Maybe I'm just being a sissy on this point, but I hated to crank the old girl up that high. Engine has been rebuilt and everything seemed to run well with no noted clanking or knocking. Just quite LOUD and meaning business. I can hardly imagine sitting behind that roar trying to bale hay and wondering if the thing was supposed to be wound that tight. Somebody comfort me on this point.

Also, the three point seemed to travel pretty slow. Is there an adjustment of any kind?

Collectively, everything seemed to function. All the gears worked without jumping. High/Low worked. Previous owner has done quite a few updates/repairs in last 5 years: engine rebuild, new distributor, rebuilt the high/low, new clutch & pressure plate, misc. small fries. I have two schools of thought: 1. This is *the* tractor to get. 2. This is a sinkhole waiting to swallow my checkbook. Ironic, isn't it?

Input would be good, Oliver Owners.

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-Dale

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Gary

12-10-2001 04:39:19

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Re: 1850 Gas shopping trip: What I saw and questions. in reply to Dale Frenz, 12-08-2001 15:15:18

If you have been used to a 2 or 4 cylinder tractor the 6 cylinder will sound like its going crazy for awhile to you,but as a 6 cylinder fan I'll bet you'll learn to love it.Six cylinder engines are smoother and more responsive than 4 cylinders.The hydraulics I'd check out but if it was real cold it probably needs to warm up awhile
before they will work at full speed.I've used several of the big Olivers that were gas and liked
them.

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Darren

12-09-2001 19:48:51

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Re: 1850 Gas shopping trip: What I saw and questions. in reply to Dale Frenz, 12-08-2001 15:15:18

I'm not sure if it's the same engine but we have a 1650 gas. My grandfather, my dad and myself each praise the tractor and swear by it...it's never let us down and still working like new, and it has close to 7000 hrs on it. Just keep em maintained and look after them. This one just get's occasional use these days, more just for an excuse to drive it than anything. Over all, I say it's a great tractor...and about the high reving, I'm not sure if it should be up to 2600 but I know it does certainly sound loud and like it's meaning business. Darren

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Bob M

12-09-2001 19:42:16

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Re: 1850 Gas shopping trip: What I saw and questions. in reply to Dale Frenz, 12-08-2001 15:15:18

Dale - With the exception of fuel economy, my experience (30+ years) with the Oliver 1850 gas has been nothing but favorable. Keep in mind they do indeed roar at PTO speed (2400 RPM) - that is the nature of the beast. (Hearing protection is highly recommended...) But the motor thrives on full RPM/full load operation. It will carry on like this for thousands of hours so long as it is properly maintained.

My only question would be on the 3 point speed. Ours is quick - always has been. Don't know if the speed is adjustable or if there's a problem with the one you are looking at.

Would I buy another 1850 gas? Yes!!

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dwm

12-09-2001 11:10:13

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Re: 1850 Gas shopping trip: What I saw and questions. in reply to Dale Frenz, 12-08-2001 15:15:18

I don't have any first hand experience with the 1850-G but do with the smaller 15 and 16 series. While it goes against popular opinion, I had much more trouble with the diesel. Always hard starting when cold, pump rebuild @ 3,000 hrs. etc. I do know you find a lot of fans of the 1850-D with the Perkins, it was a completely different animal than the Wauskesha I had. Some say the 1650 and 1850 were the best ever. Gas engines fell out of favor in the sixties when diesel was 1/3 the price of gasoline, and it was clear the diesels were more fuel efficient, particularly as the tractors got bigger it became more evident. When everyone switched to diesel, suddenly it was worth as much as gas, never did quite figure that one out. Anyhow, the diesels on long-haul hard pulls are proven in both farm and road tractors and machinery. For average chores (you mentioned hay baling) I would think the gas would be fine. I don't know whether the head will have the hardened exhaust valve seats for unleaded gas, I keep lead additive around. It would be thirsty under hard load. I still have a gas Oliver to maintain the home farm. It can sit for months and starts at the first touch of the key everytime.
When buying anything 30-plus years old, there is really no way to know how trouble-free it will be. Sounds like the previous owner fixed some of the common things. There is plenty of hydraulic expertise on this site to cure any problems. I would think 540 RPM would come @ 2,200 engine RPM. The 2,600 sounds a little high, 2,400 is standard on my little 232. Good Luck.

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Adam

12-09-2001 10:46:19

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Re: 1850 Gas shopping trip: What I saw and questions. in reply to Dale Frenz, 12-08-2001 15:15:18

I would not take a gas 1850 as a gift. we have one Absolutly no good for any thing. Best advice is find a diesel. last year I nearly bought a decent 1850 diesel 1000/540 3 speed with poor tires for $4,250 open center hyd is the hold up for me. I don't have the patients for slow cycle times, normal for a 50 series. The 1755 I bought insted is 2 times the tractor in my opinion.

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Johnnie

12-13-2001 18:06:03

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Re: Re: 1850 Gas shopping trip: What I saw and questions. in reply to Adam, 12-09-2001 10:46:19

I have a 68 1850 gas that was bought in Iowa, now has a new home in South Texas. Has 5500 hours on it runs great, loves gas, will deffently pull a round baler. Loves to rev around 25 to 2600 RPM. At night will have muffler cherry red if in a good pull.

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JDP

12-08-2001 17:11:50

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Re: 1850 Gas shopping trip: What I saw and questions. in reply to Dale Frenz, 12-08-2001 15:15:18

I'll be honest, I dont know a whole lot about the gas engine, but I have always heard to stay away from them. There are people who like them though. I prefer the 1850 with the Perkins myself. I have 3 of them, and they are really reliable. If you have any questions about the diesel, I might be able to help you.

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Terry

12-09-2001 00:57:00

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Re: Re: 1850 Gas shopping trip: What I saw and questions. in reply to JDP, 12-08-2001 17:11:50

JDP- I have my first Oli 1850 Perkins and will have plenty of questions. Mind me picking your brain?

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