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1600 vs. 1650

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Jack

11-22-2001 01:00:28




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I'm looking for a tractor to mow and bail with and have narrowed it down to these in gas. Can someone tell me about the transmitions and hydralics in these two tractors. Also if there are any other pros or cons.




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Larry

11-22-2001 13:59:09




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 Re: 1600 vs. 1650 in reply to Jack, 11-22-2001 01:00:28  
The 1600 pto is geared much faster and will turn up to 712 wide open.It can be great for running low hp. implements at reduced engine speed.The 1650 needs to run fast to make rpm's.Make sure the 1600 does not have the old style steering.The ground speed is allso geared a little differant in the two tractors.



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j meyer

11-24-2001 12:17:20




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 Re: Re: 1600 vs. 1650 in reply to Larry, 11-22-2001 13:59:09  
the 1650 is a great old tractor. maybe the best oliver made. Dad's old 1650 has to have over 10,000 hours on it. great old machine- go for it.



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Jack

12-01-2001 17:39:42




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 Re: Re: Re: 1600 vs. 1650 in reply to j meyer, 11-24-2001 12:17:20  
Got the tractor on friday. 1966, 1650 WF, gas 5400hrs. Good rubber, wheel weights front weights Good original paint. Auction price $3200.



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Jack

11-22-2001 15:05:04




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 Re: Re: 1600 vs. 1650 in reply to Larry, 11-22-2001 13:59:09  
Larry, did you make the comment on a previous posting in regards to sliding gear vs. constant mesh? If so do these tractors have different Trans.? I am looking for a tractor that is good as a chore or barn yard tractor.



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Jack

11-22-2001 14:55:51




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 Re: Re: 1600 vs. 1650 in reply to Larry, 11-22-2001 13:59:09  
What year did they start with the new steering or how do I tell. Also, how many hrs. typically before any major rebuilds. Engine, trans., hydraulics.



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Larry

11-23-2001 09:29:06




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 Re: Re: Re: 1600 vs. 1650 in reply to Jack, 11-22-2001 14:55:51  
The 1600 and 1650 have the same type trans(constant mesh).2nd reverse and 4th are oppisite each other and make shuttle shifting easy.The new steering is fully hydrostatic and features no steering shaft along side the engine.It allso has better front axels with the piviot pin hooked on both sides of the axel.the old style is like a s88 and if the brace nuts get loose the axel will slip off the pivot pin.I havent done an overhauel on any of my 4 tractors this size there hours are 2700,4200,6000and 3800.

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Jack

11-24-2001 07:22:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1600 vs. 1650 in reply to Larry, 11-23-2001 09:29:06  
Going to look at a 1650 gas WF w/5400hrs. Sounds like a lot of hrs. to me. Any hints on what else I should be looking for?



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Big Jim

11-26-2001 14:46:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1600 vs. 1650 in reply to Jack, 11-24-2001 07:22:02  
Jack, one thing to look for is the condition of the shaft which drives the sprocket on the chain coupler. This shaft has splines which match the sprocket. Usually the sprocket will wear out first, however once in a while, the shaft splines wear out. This requires removal of the whole operators platform to get inside the transmission to take out the shaft. Lots of time and costly to replace. Also, check the steering, if the power steering wants to keep going one way and you constantly have to compensate by turning in the opposite direction, then the hydra motor is shot. They cost $$$$ to replace. Just a few tips to share.

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Jim

11-29-2001 13:43:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1600 vs. 1650 in reply to Big Jim, 11-26-2001 14:46:05  
The 1650 is the way to go. I have a 1964 model and it has never had an overhaul or restoration and it still runs like a champ. A real great tracktor, but then again aren't all Oliver's great!



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Lee

11-22-2001 09:11:04




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 Re: 1600 vs. 1650 in reply to Jack, 11-22-2001 01:00:28  
They are pretty much the same tractor except for the PTO, the 1650 uses a wet clutch for the PTO. The 1600 uses a dry clutch.



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