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Shep

10-22-2001 11:37:59




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Here is an update for you guys on the 1855 Cummins conversion. I have gotten a little behind on this project, I had to replace a head gasket on our loader tractor last week, so I lost a week of work on the 1855. I have gotten the frame and most of the sheetmetal painted and have got the new Cummins engine in and mounted. Now I am just doing the conversion stuff, getting all the hoses to fit and the electrical hooked up. I am having some trouble getting the power steering pump placed somewhere out of the way. I am going to put a loader on this tractor and dont want the pump hanging out the side like it was, anyone have any ideas on where to place that pump??? I am also thinking of leaving this engine black. I am putting a black westendorf loader on it as well. I think it will look good with the black engine and black loader. Any thoughts on the color???? Enjoy the pictures.

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Sam M.

10-26-2001 09:57:24




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 Re: 1855 Cummins conversion continues in reply to Shep, 10-22-2001 11:37:59  
Shep , I have a question about the flywheel on the Oliver 1855 that based on your conversion work on your 1855 you may be able to answer . I recently replaced the clutch etc in my 1850 and had the fly wheel ground down and polished . The 1850 flywheel was flat across the entire face of the flywheel including the area on the edge where the pressure plate bolts . The clutch kit I was given said it was for a Oliver 1855 but it matched exactly what I took out of the 1850 and the tractor is running fine .

I have now taken the engine out of my 1855 to replace a badly leaking seal at the back of the over/under shift unit and to replace a leaking o ring on the control spindle on the over/under unit . While I had the engine out I decided to replace the clutch , pressure plate , etc which it definately needed . The tractor had a ceramic (semi metallic) button type clutch which was shot and a pressure plate that did not put out much pressure at all . The question came up when I removed the pressure plate from the flywheel and took the flywheel off the back of the engine . The flywheel I took off the 1855 was not flat across the entire face but had a raised area around the outer edge where the pressure plate bolted . Was your 1855 flywheel this way ? My thinking is that the raised area was created as the old clutch plate wore against the flywheel and I need to have the entire face of the 1855 flywheel polished flat with no raised area on the outside edge . The area where the clutch plate contacts my 1855 flywheel is highly polished and wavey . Thanks . Sam

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Shep

10-26-2001 10:33:09




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 Re: Re: 1855 Cummins conversion continues in reply to Sam M. , 10-26-2001 09:57:24  
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Sam, both my 1850 and my 1855 flywheels had the raised area where the pressure plate bolts. You can see the 1850 flywheel there in the picture and you can see the raised area around the outside of it. I think that they are supposed to be that way, I dont think that is all from wear. The 1850 flywheel was fairly smooth and in good shape, but like you the 1855 flywheel was wavy and had lots of small cracks across the face. The machine shop said that was normal and they just polished the inside and left the raised area alone. Im not sure if anyone else might know if they are supposed to be that way or not, but mine are.

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Gary

10-24-2001 05:48:15




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 Re: 1855 Cummins conversion continues in reply to Shep, 10-22-2001 11:37:59  
I never mentioned but if I remember right when dodge used the cummins I think they have their P.S. pump also driven off this gear. I know in the ford with the air comp. the gear is on the shaft of the comp. You may be able to use the dodge pump or make a adapter wih a couple brgs. and drive the old pump off it.



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Gary

10-23-2001 08:56:58




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 Re: 1855 Cummins conversion continues in reply to Shep, 10-22-2001 11:37:59  
I don't know if you have room or not, but when these engines are used in other applications there is an auxillary drive below the inj.pump that is used to run air compressors and P.S. pumps. IN ford trucks they have the air comp.with the P.S pump mounted on the rear of the comp.



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Shep

10-23-2001 14:55:20




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 Re: Re: 1855 Cummins conversion continues in reply to Gary, 10-23-2001 08:56:58  
Yeah Gary, I saw that and wondered if I could make something work there, there is plenty of room and it would be out of the way. I dont know how I would make it direct drive though. I guess i would have to have a gear attached to the hydro pump shaft that would match up with whatever gear is in the auxillary drive. I have not opened that up to see what is there yet, what kind of gear is on the end of the pumps you are talking about???

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Sam M.

10-23-2001 07:44:36




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 Re: 1855 Cummins conversion continues in reply to Shep, 10-22-2001 11:37:59  
Your conversion looks like it is going well . I have no idea where you could put the steering pump and I do not think the Oliver /White engineers did either . It seems to me that it has to run at engine speed so you have to drive it with a belt off the front pulley which means you have to mount it somewhere around the engine in line with that pulley . Could you mount it on the left side (from the driver's point of view) at the top of the engine rather than at the bottom? The problem I see with that is you would have to reroute and replumb the main line coming from the hydraulic sump and , at least on my 1855 , the bleed off line from the top of the steering cylinder that goes into a T fitting and then into my steering pump . That would add to the lines that are already coming over the top of the engine and the radiator . If you moved the pump to the right side of the engine you would have to deal with the alternator and reroute even more lines . Another option might be to figure out some way to power the pump directly off the engine either at the front of the engine or off the direct drive pto shaft at the back of the tractor . Again , rerouting of lines would be required . You might want to contact BA Star and see if Oliver/White considered a different location for the pump . On another issue , I am enjoying your pictures but you seem to have had an odd ball engine on your 1855 . It does not have the usual hole in the block .

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Shep ROFL

10-23-2001 14:42:22




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 Re: Re: 1855 Cummins conversion continues in reply to Sam M. , 10-23-2001 07:44:36  
Yeah Sam, that engine block has survived but it was not for a lack of it trying to blow. In 1999 it threw the two piece wrist pin bushing in #5 and started making a knock real loud and real fast. I shut her down and hauled it back to the shop before it blew, and this last time she floated a sleeve in #6 and water got in the crankcase and it burned up almost all the oil as it got thinner, I caught the oil pressure going down and shut her down again real quick. I was going to rebuild the 310 again, but after doing the 1850 conversion and seeing how that cummins runs in an Oliver my mind was made up to convert the 1855 to the cummins as well.

Someone e-mailed me on this hydro pump issue and told me that Oliver put this pump beside the main Hydro pump on later models and on some of the Whites. I am checking this out now to see if I can put a different pump on it from another tractor. Thanks for the comments

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Sam M.

10-25-2001 06:58:20




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 Re: Re: Re: 1855 Cummins conversion continues in reply to Shep ROFL, 10-23-2001 14:42:22  
It makes sense to put the power steering pump near or in the hydraulic pump . Let me know what you find out on that . I have a friend who used to work as a mechanic for the local Oliver/White dealer here and still does a good bit of mechanic work and trading of used Olivers and Whites . I will ask him about this as well and let you know if I find out anything. I would mention that my 1855 is a late 1974 model which I understand was toward the very end of the 1855 series and it still has the pump at the bottom , left front of the engine just outside the frame . You might check to see how the pumps were arranged on the White 2-105 which I believe replaced the Oliver 1855/1955 series although I understand that the 2-105 had a Perkins engine .

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Shep

10-26-2001 10:35:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1855 Cummins conversion continues in reply to Sam M. , 10-25-2001 06:58:20  
I have been told that the pumps were on the 2-105 and the 2-150 whites and are in between the main hydro pump and the transmission housing. I am looking to find one of these gerotor pumps to put on my 1855. If you come across one let me know Sam. Thanks.



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Jason

10-22-2001 18:59:06




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 Re: 1855 Cummins conversion continues in reply to Shep, 10-22-2001 11:37:59  
I thought green would be better, because it looks more original. However, I think the black engine will look good too. It's up to you Shep, she's your baby. The tractor is looking good so far.



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Shep

10-23-2001 14:56:16




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 Re: Re: 1855 Cummins conversion continues in reply to Jason, 10-22-2001 18:59:06  
Thanks Jason



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