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Wyatt

09-21-2001 10:18:45

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I have been told that later model Oliver's and Minn.-Moline tractors were pretty much the same. If this is true does anyone know if you could put the late model 5.9 Cummins into a G1000 with little to no modification just as Shep did on the 1850? Thanks in advance.

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MikeO

09-23-2001 20:36:23

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Re: Engine Conversions? in reply to Wyatt, 09-21-2001 10:18:45

The M/M 955 and 1055 tractors were a hybred with the trany etc from an oliver and the engine from a M/M. The corresponding oliver models were the G-955 and G-1055. I believe you G-1000 still has the M/M trany etc and therefore, it may be harder to convert to the cummins. There may have been some 50 series hybreds also.

The rails used on your M/M may be similar to the ones used on the Ford 8600. The rails provide support but can be removed and the tractor is still intact. This not the case in the design of the Oliver which requires the rigid tub for support of the engine and 3 speed trany.

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Shep

09-24-2001 07:24:09

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Re: Re: Engine Conversions? in reply to MikeO, 09-23-2001 20:36:23

Mike is correct, here is a picture of the "tub" frame that Oliver uses (with a bellhousing sitting in the front of the tub). This makes it very easy to mount another engine into, and makes the structure of an Oliver tractor very strong. I dont think the frame of a Moline is built like this, and would be a little harder to convert another engine into it. This is the 1855 frame that I took off, a Cummins engine fits better into the 1850 frame so I changed it out.

1855 Frame

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MikeO

09-24-2001 22:17:27

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Re: Re: Re: Engine Conversions? in reply to Shep, 09-24-2001 07:24:09

Thanks Shep! I don't dare use the digital camera, its my wife's! What I am curious about is if anyone has any pictures of the the way Oliver and M/M did the matchup between the Oliver backend and the M/M frontend on the hybred models, eithor the 50 or 55 series tractors.

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Shep..... Now that would be interesting!

09-25-2001 05:00:58

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Engine Conversions? in reply to MikeO, 09-24-2001 22:17:27

I had never really thought of that, but looking through some of my pictures it appears from looking at this 1870 that they cut the oliver frame there in front of the step and bolted the MM frame to the Oliver tub so that the tractor could actually split in two places. Is that what your seeing Mike??? That is obviously an Oliver cab step on that tractor bolted to the Oliver front frame and it looks like some bolts just foward of that step. I have never been up close and personal with one of those hybred tractors, maybe someone who has can tell us.

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MikeO

09-25-2001 20:38:25

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Engine Conversions? in reply to Shep..... Now that would be interesting!, 09-25-2001 05:00:58

Hey Shep, I think you're correct. Wrenchbender also has an interesting comment. My source book (CH Wendel) has an angle shot of a 2270 which shows some sort of tub which attaches to the frame as you pointed out. This makes sense, but I would still like to see up close. Keep me posted if you find any.

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MikeO

09-25-2001 20:37:12

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Engine Conversions? in reply to Shep..... Now that would be interesting!, 09-25-2001 05:00:58

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Wrenchbender

09-25-2001 19:25:25

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Engine Conversions? in reply to Shep..... Now that would be interesting!, 09-25-2001 05:00:58

Shep, I can't tell from your picture of the 1870 but I know that a 2-150, that uses the MM 585 engine and the Oliver driveline, it has a one-of-a-kind bellhousing, O/U, and frame transition piece. The clutch housing and frame are one piece and the O/U bolts inside the frame. I don't think the MM engine has a SAE bellhousing like a Perkins and Cummins. WB.

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Shep

09-27-2001 06:08:45

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Engine Conversions? in reply to Wrenchbender, 09-25-2001 19:25:25

That would make sence WB. Thanks for the comments guys. If you find a good picture of one of those tractors post it here so we can get a look at it.

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Shep

09-27-2001 06:08:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Engine Conversions? in reply to Wrenchbender, 09-25-2001 19:25:25

That would make sence WB. Thanks for the comments guys. If you find a good picture of one of those tractors post it here so we can get a look at it.

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Shep

09-21-2001 12:27:01

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Re: Engine Conversions? in reply to Wyatt, 09-21-2001 10:18:45

Not sure on that one Wyatt. I guess any conversion is possible given enough time to figure it out and enough money to do it. It would depend a lot on the frame and how that is set up, and if you could get a bell housing that would bolt up to the engine. The main reason the Cummins fit so well into the 1850 is because the big tub frame of that tractor fits that engine very well. I have two M-5 molines and in those tractors the engine is the frame. I dont see how you could get a cummins to fit in the M-5 without putting some kind of frame rails into it. I am not sure how the frame is made on a G-1000, maybe you can look and tell me what the frame is like. That will be a big part of being able to convert it. I will do some more research on this and see what I can find for you Wyatt.

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Wyatt

09-21-2001 12:58:20

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Re: Re: Engine Conversions? in reply to Shep, 09-21-2001 12:27:01

It appears to use a frame. It does not appear to be a "tub" like the 1850 but actual frame rails. Were you able to find a bellhousing or did you have one fabricated?

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Shep

09-23-2001 11:38:25

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Re: Re: Re: Engine Conversions? in reply to Wyatt, 09-21-2001 12:58:20

Cummins has a bell housing ring that fits perfect between the 1850 three speed and the cummins engine. In fact if you do a conversion on any other Oliver you just get an 1850 diesel bellhousing and put it on the hydro power or three speed and bolt the Cummins engine up to it. Works slick. dont know if you can do that on a G-1000 or not, never been around one enough to know.

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