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Allan Currie

08-14-2001 22:10:05




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I have an 1855 with a knocking motor ( for the second time). Is there another engine that can be put in these with stock parts?n Perkins maybe? Or should I be fixing the old one?




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Jim

08-30-2001 03:31:45




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 Re: 1855 engine in reply to Allan Currie, 08-14-2001 22:10:05  
This cummins conversion would work on a 1755
diesel also right?? I havent had any problems
with my walkasha yet but if I do then I know what
to do.



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Jim

08-30-2001 03:31:26




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 Re: 1855 engine in reply to Allan Currie, 08-14-2001 22:10:05  
This cummins conversion would work on a 1755
diesel also right?? I havent had any problems
with my walkasha yet but if I do then I know what
to do.



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Shep

08-15-2001 08:15:30




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 Re: 1855 engine in reply to Allan Currie, 08-14-2001 22:10:05  
I have been having the same problem with my 1855. The engine loves to drink oil and lately some of my antifreeze has been going somewhere, Hmmmmm mm. I have a bad feeling that I am getting ready to have an Oliver hole in the block. I just rebuilt the 310 last year from the ground up after having a terrable knock in the engine and have been in the engine three times after that to try to fix problems after the rebuild. I am tired of spending money and labor on that 310 and am in the process of replacing the engine with a 5.9L Cummins same as I just did with the 1850. I would recommend before you put a pile of money into rebuilding the 310 like I did that you look at putting a cummins into it. Will make a lot better tractor and not near the problems. If you have questions let me know, I just finished my 1850 with a cummins conversion and can tell you what it will take to put it in your 1855.

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Sam M.

08-17-2001 08:31:41




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 Re: Re: 1855 engine in reply to Shep, 08-15-2001 08:15:30  
Shep , Your disappearing antifreeze may be bad rubber rings in the sleeves . A friend of mine bought a 1650 that ,in the winter ,the original owner kept plugged up to the water heater on the engine basically all the time and it cooked the rubber rings on the sleeves . Antifreeze leaked down into the oil pan and when the engine was under load , engine went bad . When I originally looked at my 1855 , the owner had it plugged up as well . I removed the oil pan plug and drained a little oil out . Sure enough the water and antifreeze had leaked past the rings and sunk to the bottom of the oil pan , result antifreeze in the oil . I had to replace the rubber rings on the sleeves and so far I have had no problems . However , my 1855 had the original engine replaced with a 1955 with oil cooler so that may explain why my engine appears to be doing better . However , I agree with you , if (or maybe I should say when) this engine goes bad I am going to look into replacing it with a Cummings . Good luck with yours .

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Jake

08-15-2001 13:27:11




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 Re: Re: 1855 engine in reply to Shep, 08-15-2001 08:15:30  
Shep,

I am wondering if your 310 was through the upgrade program or not? My 1855 has the 1955 engine upgrade done to it and I have not had any problems. Everyone I talk to recomends a new set of rod bolts at 3000 hrs, but I am not to the point yet after my rebuild. Having said that, if I had the money, I would update to the Cummins, I agree it would make an overall better tractor. Better to jerk the 310 block and sell it to a puller for his 88 before it lets go. :-)

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Shep

08-16-2001 08:29:28




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 Re: Re: Re: 1855 engine in reply to Jake, 08-15-2001 13:27:11  
Yep, my 310 is a 1955 engine with a built in oil cooler and it went through a total rebuild and all the updates in April 2000. Right now it is drinking about a quart of oil an hour and losing water into the crankcase, and I can not find where it is coming from. I did not replace the sleeves during the rebuild and I have a feeling a sleeve is cracked next to a water jacket or the O ring around a sleeve is leaking water into the oil and thinning the oil until it goes by the rings. In any event I am looking at new sleeves, rings and probably new bearings with the water in the oil, plus who knows what else.

So I got about 800 hrs of life out of my last rebuild, plus I have been in the engine twice since then trying to stop the oil and water from leaving. I am really just tired of these Waukeshas and am slowly replacing them.

I have already sold the 310 block and havent even got it out of the tractor yet, guess there are not too many 310 blocks out there without a hole in the side :-) Figure I can sell the rest of the parts off the engine to help offset the cost of the cummins. It has a brand new reworked head on it if anyone wants a 310 head with new injectors.

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MikeO

08-15-2001 12:19:08




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 Re: Re: 1855 engine in reply to Shep, 08-15-2001 08:15:30  
We have both, a cummins and a perkins install in our 1855's. The perkins we did ourselves by purchasing a 2-105 White engine and tub assembly and bolted it up to the trany and front axle. Everything fit pretty good except the sheet metal over the air cleaner and around the radiator. Got the entire package with an average to below average motor for $3,500 w/trade. My 1855 cummins came directly from cummins great lakes after they retrofitted the tractor. I don't know the cost of the retrofit but my understanding is its about $8,000. Maybe Shep or someone else has a better feel for this.

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Shep

08-15-2001 12:51:28




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 Re: Re: Re: 1855 engine in reply to MikeO, 08-15-2001 12:19:08  
The cost of the cummins repower really depends on getting the engine bought right. These 5.9L engines go from $4,500 to $8,000 most of the time. Fortunatly the engine you need for the 1850 and 1855 is the smaller of the B series cummins engines, like what is in the dodge pickups and you can find them cheaper most of the time. I got my two cummins, one rebuilt and one new for about $5,000 each with 3 year warrenties, and the rest of the repower parts can run another $1,000 or 2 depending on the tractor and what all comes with the engine. It is a lot of money up front but I am finding it will save you money in the long run, cause you should not have to tear it back apart and you have a whole lot more tractor when you are done. Just my two cents

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MikeO

08-15-2001 19:06:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1855 engine in reply to Shep, 08-15-2001 12:51:28  
My last discussion with cummins great lakes quoted me at $6,000 for the 5.9 turbo charged and $1,800 for the series 55 conversion kit. Did you get your engines directly from cummins or from other sources. I have notices 5.9's in the trucker's graveyard magazines at $4,500 with trade. PS why did you go with a turbo charged unit on your 1850? My 1855 w/o turbo seems to have more than enough hp.

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Shep

08-16-2001 07:49:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1855 engine in reply to MikeO, 08-15-2001 19:06:24  
I have been getting my engines from various other sources, seems to be good engines with warrenties and they are a little less than buying them from cummins. The reason I put a 5.9L BT turbo in the 1850 is because that is what was available. I have another turbo cummins to go in the 1855 in a week or so. It is almost the same price for the turbo or the non turbo engines, and the turbo engines are a lot easier to find, so I just turned the pump down and ran the charger. The 1850 dynoed at 140 Hp on the 540 pto and you could not see any smoke out of the pipe yet. Should get great fuel economy!!!! I have never got a conversion kit from cummins so I dont know what that all involves, I just made my own mounts and made it all fit myself.

Those cummins engines really make the Oliver tractors come alive, If Oliver had those engines in the 1850 and 1855 origionally they would still be sellin tractors in my opinion. I am planning on slowly putting the cummins in all of my Olivers, except the 2150, gotta love that big Hurk!!!!

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Kent

08-16-2001 16:37:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1855 engine in reply to Shep, 08-16-2001 07:49:17  
Shep, & others, I have read your ideas with interest. I have a 5.9 in a 1993 dodge with 110,000 miles I bought it wrecked and have yet to drive it, but getting there. It is the intercooled turbo model, and had no serious motor damage( a broken valve cover bolt and a busted harmonic balancer) These go for around 3000-4000 for the whole truck. Is there any interest in these? I am in north central Ohio and can search for units with good motors if someone needs them. The gas waukeshaw motors I am familiar with were worth rebuilding if you could find the parts. Good luck, Kent

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Shep

08-17-2001 05:28:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1855 engine in reply to Kent, 08-16-2001 16:37:49  
Kent,
The Dodge truck engines will work in a tractor, but you have to make some modifications to make it happen. The main problem with using a truck engine in a tractor is that the truck engine is mounted on rubber mounts and the tractor engines are mounted solid. That means that the truck engine can move and does not have to be balenced nearly a good as a tractor engine. You would probably have to balence the engine or mount it on rubber mounts on the tractor. The other big problem is the fuel pump. The truck engine has a pump with out governers. When the pickup comes agenst a load you just press on the throddle. When a tractor comes under load you need the pump to push the engine, so you will need a different fuel pump. Also the flywheel and clutch is wrong, the bell housing is wrong, the turbo and manifolds are in the wrong place, the fan mount is wrong, etc. These are all things that can be changed on the engine and can be made to work, but at what cost???

So as you can see you will need to change an actual truck engine quite a bit to make it fit and work correctly in a tractor. Really you would be better off to buy an industral 5.9L and not change as much, or hardly anything.

Dodge makes two different B series engines, the truck and the industrial, and they make several different models of each type, 12volt-24volt, High output- low output, etc. That is good because you can put a cummins engine in almost anything, but you have to have the right model and series to work well. If you got a really good deal on a truck engine cummins would probably work with you on swapping parts so that you could make the engine work, they have been really good about doing that for me. But you would have to look at the cost of changing the engine, may not be worth it... Just my 2 cents.

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Allan

08-17-2001 21:08:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1855 engine in reply to Shep, 08-17-2001 05:28:57  
Looks like I started something. Thanks for all the replies. Is there a kit from Cummins to do this? I'm for simple if it's affordable. I'm up in Canada but there's lots of 5.9's available. What about the bell housing? what is needed to bolt this up?. I could handle the other stuff.



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MikeO

08-17-2001 21:45:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1855 engine in reply to Allan, 08-17-2001 21:08:30  
The kit is available from cummins and includes all necessary hardware to complete the transition. It is designed for use on the 1855/1955 tractors and may be pricey for an 1850. It does include the bell housing etc.



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