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1650 Injector Pump Question

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Richard

02-23-2001 16:25:44




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I installed a rebuilt roosamaster pump on my 1650D. It seems to run okay, but it has a black haze coming from the exhaust now when partially or fully loaded. It always had a very clean exhaust before I changed the pump.

I also just made 2 passes across my 10 acres of Sandy Loam yesterday (10 hours of solid running) with a 8' tandem disc, and I used 45 gallons of Diesel, which is alot more than it normally uses.

It sounds like the fuel pump is running rich. I'm familiar with Bosch and Cummins pumps and know how to adjust them, but I don't know much about the Roosamaster pump.

Can anyone with a 1650 tell me if this is all normal, or if it sounds like to pump output is too high?

Thanks in advance.

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john de Marrais

02-24-2001 16:10:51




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 Re: 1650 Injector Pump Question in reply to Richard, 02-23-2001 16:25:44  
It sounds like someone has turned up the fuel delivery, either by mistake or on purpose. I used to rebuild the pumps and many farmers asked me to crank up the fuel delivery until the machine let out a cloud of black smoke under a load. It does add some horsepower, and turning the fuel up on stock tractors was a standard thing to do at County fair pulls every year. If your static timing, or your timing advance is off, you can get similar problems, but not as drastic. Static timing is easy to check. The advance needs a plastic timing window put on the pump temporarily, in place of the little rectangular steel cover with two screws. As far as the fuel delivery goes, it's easy if you know how but kind of hard to explain by email. The top cover of the pump must come off (three bolts- perhaps safety wired). Then, there is a bolt that is accessed from the outside of the pump, probably with a 7/16" head on it, but some are allen drive, with a thick aluminum washer under it, that runs into the pump lengthwise and supports your governor spring, cap, etc. This needs to be removed, the spring, etc. pushed out of the way, then the pump rotated slowly - by turning the engine over slowly, until you can look straight down into the pump through the newly exposed hole, and an allen screw comes into view. This screw rotates when the engine turns, thus the need to turn the engine and pump over in order to line it up. Once you can see it, and get an allen wrench into it, turning it it (clockwise) will increase fuel delivery - so you want to turn it out(counter clockwise). From what you describe, I would go 1/3 of a turn and try it. If you go too far, the engine will lack power and start hard. One note, with some of these pumps parts of the throttle shaft might get in the way - if so there are one or two clips on your throttle shaft that you must pull off (depends if you have electric or manual shut-off) It sounds complicated, but once you've done it, it takes 10 minutes. The older General Motors diesels used in Suburbans, Blazers, pickup trucks, and the military Hummers use the same basic pump. There is a guy with a website dedicated to the G.M stuff that ran an article with photos explaining the process I just described. I don't know if he is still running it but you might go to his site and send him an email - or check his archives. The site is at Link

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larry wolfe

02-24-2001 14:11:39




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 Re: 1650 Injector Pump Question in reply to Richard, 02-23-2001 16:25:44  
This is not normal.Is the oil leval increasing? Is the timing correct after you ran it? Is pump correct for the injectors that you have? The 1650 came with 2 differant styles.



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Richard - Reply to Larry

02-24-2001 16:27:08




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 Re: Re: 1650 Injector Pump Question in reply to larry wolfe, 02-24-2001 14:11:39  
Larry, the timing is 2 degrees BTDC on the money, and no the oil is not gaining volume. It has done this since I stuck this particular rebuilt pump on. Larry Harison just suggestted I back out the torque screw about a 1/2 turn and try it.



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Big Jim

02-23-2001 17:25:06




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 Re: 1650 Injector Pump Question in reply to Richard, 02-23-2001 16:25:44  
Richard,
Try asking Larry Harsin this question on his "ask the Oliver mechanic" forum. Try>Link

good>Link Luck!



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Canada Grant

02-23-2001 18:30:20




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 Re: Re: 1650 Injector Pump Question in reply to Big Jim, 02-23-2001 17:25:06  
I farm with 880D' a late one that uses rosa master pump and can cover 10 acres on one tank of fuel [20 gallons] and a lot of my ground is straight up and down so yours seems excessive. A bigger question is ' The roads are all closed due to snowstorms[ 4inch's today ] where are you discing? The grounds not froze here but there is 12 plus inch's of snow on top . We are in southern ontario .

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Richard

02-23-2001 18:16:24




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 Re: Re: 1650 Injector Pump Question in reply to Big Jim, 02-23-2001 17:25:06  
Larry Harison is the one I got the pump from. I was seeking advice to see if this normal before proceeding.



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