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Oliver engines, etc?

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Todd

12-14-2000 19:12:50




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Hey, I have never owned an oliver, but have
been trying to gain an education from the rest of u gooroos for sometime on this
discussion page.
Here's the question, if I'm looking for an
80+ HP Oliver it seems that my best bet is
to go for an 1850 w/Perkins diesel or
the 1900 or 1950 w/GM diesel.
I've gathered that the Waechesa (misspelled)
diesel engine is not as durable.
Are there other Oliver models to consider?
Are there other models with the Perkins or
GM diesel?
What is the reputation of the gas engines?
Are they made by multiple manufactures also?
Thanks for education!!

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MCL in IN

12-22-2000 07:19:23




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 Re: Oliver engines, etc? in reply to Todd, 12-14-2000 19:12:50  
I may have been a little hard on the 310 in earlier remarks. It is a little disgusting that so many 1855 and 1955's met an early death because of engine failure and there was nothing wrong with the rest of the tractor. That was the time White was switching from green to silver paint and they needed to do all they could to keep the faith of their loyal followers. Could be possibly one contributing factor to losing so many customers to the other green brand that had just come out with the 4430 and the "sound guard cab" that was supposed to be so great.

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WFE

12-20-2000 16:47:52




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 Re: Oliver engines, etc? in reply to Todd, 12-14-2000 19:12:50  
With all due respect, gentlemen:

The 310 is an outstanding motor when rebuilt properly. From the factory, there were a number of faults, all of which have been corrected today through updated parts and proper rebuild procedures. Cranks were not properly balanced from factory and motors shook themselves apart. Some also had incorrect spec. of rod bolt installed and failed very soon. The shaking made a bad problem worse with the wrist pin bushings; a two-piece split bushing was used. Oil capacity was not sufficient on 1855 to maintain oil's quality at high temps. This is why 1855 diesel 310 was worst of any. The 1955s had oil coolers and 1855s made in 1974 and later also had oil coolers. 1755s never did but ran at lower hp. To properly rebuild a 310: have crank balanced. You will need to take in rods, pistons, flywheel, balancer, pulley, and pressure plate. Install updated pin bushings (one piece) and updated rod bolts, both available through AGCO, and ensure that sleeve projection above counterbore in block is correct (.002-.004). Should tend toward the lower value of .002. Shims are available to bring value to within this range if your sleeve counterbore has settled some. Also, go a little tighter on head bolt torques. Add 15-20 ftlbs for proper head gasket crush and retention. Do this, and your 310 will give good reliable service for many thouand hours. The 283 is a good engine too, again, with all due respect. 1655s and WFE 2-70s are out there with 7-8000 hours on 283 diesels without overhauls. And they sure are peppy and good on fuel. Hope this helps, Todd. Waukesha engines are great, but the 310 was one engine that tarnished the reputation somewhat because of the problems listed above. But several are today in service after being rebuilt properly and they are nice.

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Wrenchbender

12-20-2000 18:49:04




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 Re: Re: Oliver engines, etc? in reply to WFE, 12-20-2000 16:47:52  
I wasn't going to chime in , but WFE you made some good points. The 310 can be a good engine, I think some of the blame for the bad rep. could be put on White. Insead of using a larger cu. in. engine to get more HP they just kept building up the Waukesha. Any time that happens you start asking for trouble. If you think about it all the things that contibuted to the failures of the 310 were in direct correlation to more HP, turbocharging, more RPM, ect. were all found with the 1855 & 1955. The other thing that makes these tractors more usable and reliable today is that they aren't used for heavy tillage like they once were. I still use my 1955 & 1750 for tillage but on a more lmited basis, no-till has seen to that. I pull a 6 row 6100 planter and 7 row splitter with my 1955, that's no load to speak of, 4th direct about 2000 RPM is just right. Sorry to ramble on but I hate to see the 310 get a bad rap when it really can be a good engine. WB.

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ed

12-18-2000 18:44:06




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 Re: Oliver engines, etc? in reply to Todd, 12-14-2000 19:12:50  
The advice I have read so far is good. I don't know anything about Oliver gas motors. I bought an Oliver 1855 AWD with Oliver ROPS at an auction 5 years ago for $4,800. The hour meter was rusted out, but I wacthed them start the tractor cold. The exhaust had only a little smoke for a minute and then was clean. I use the tractor for haying,(major over kill for the job). What I have learned over the years is, 1) If the motor hasn't blown yet, and you don't beat it, you SHOULD be ok. 2) The 1850 is a far better tractor. A Cummings will drop right in, were as the 1855 is a major job. 3) There are plenty of tractors out there, so buy what you want. My tractor has been trouble free, and I am happy, and that is my bottom line.

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MCL in IN

12-16-2000 18:35:58




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 Re: Oliver engines, etc? in reply to Todd, 12-14-2000 19:12:50  
As bad as I hate to admit it the 310 Waukesha is a junk motor. From what I can tell the cranks were not heat treated properly and were soft. These engines were used in the 1800C, 1750, 1950T, 1755, 1855, and 1955. The T, 1855, and 1955 were turbocharged and seem to have more problems. 1855 was worst. The 1955 had better oil cooling and seem to be a little more reliable. Any guy with a screwdriver could get 140 or 150 hp out of one but they definitely wouldn't hold up to that. If you have a problem with a 310 motor all you usually have to do is look through the big hole in the side of the block to see what it is. Otherwise the 55 series makes a really nice tractor. Good transmissions and differentials and have closed-center hydraulic systems.

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james

12-15-2000 05:17:26




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 Re: Oliver engines, etc? in reply to Todd, 12-14-2000 19:12:50  
I have a 1972 1755 oliver with a 6-cylinder waukashaw diesel in it and its a great motor. Now the 1855-1955 turbo charged ones are the ones to stay away from. The 310 cubic inch had problems with the crank not being balance right from the factory. They just need to be rebuilt proporly.



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Shepherd

12-15-2000 11:57:05




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 Re: Re: Oliver engines, etc? in reply to james, 12-15-2000 05:17:26  
I disagree james. The Wakashau engine is only fair at best turbo or no. I have a 1655, a 1855, and an 1850-- all diesel. There are some inherent engine design flaws in the block, crank, and internal engine of all of the 310's and 283's that make them less dependable engines. The perkins in the 1850 is the best diesel in the Oliver tracors going, unless you repower a 1755 or 1855 with a cummins. This can be done but it is big $$$. Todd, I would try to find a diesel 1850 in good shape. They sell for 3,000 to 7,000 and are great tractors. I have an 1850D myself and it will walk all over my 1855 that should have more power. First chance I get the 1855 Wakashau will be be replaced with a perkins or cummins.

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