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1855 Oliver hydraulics

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alan

12-12-2000 19:40:01




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I believe the tractor is one of the earlier models also with Waukesha (however spelled) engine. The pump is less than four years old (less than 400 hours on the pump). Previous to this year the tractor was used for some baling, moving in the bales, and using the three point with a bale fork. This year I used it on a hydraulic dump rake. About the second day shortly after starting, the pump started making noise, sort of like an "oiled grinding". The fluid level was ok but the oil seemed a little hot. It was shut off and not used during haying anymore. I then started the tractor to get the hay moved in, the pump sounded fine and everything worked ok. After about an hour it started making the noise again, so I parked the tractor. The next time I tried it it blew out compression fitting on the steel line that runs above the hyd. oil dipstick in the back. I then had the tractor worked on (bearings in the trans., clutch, etc.) and told them to check the pump and repair the line. They said that it was working fine and they didn't notice any noise. The pump checked 2150-psi, which they said, was what it was supposed to. I drove the tractor home, about forty miles, and it didn't make any noise and didn't have any problems that day. Now, the pump will start making noise if it is used more than an hour or so. It is loudest usually between 1200=1500 rpm, when I idle the tractor down when it hits 1200 the noise gets a little louder then quits below that. It doesn't make noise while idling. When I first start it when the oil's cold, the hydraulics are strong. Shortly after they get pretty weak at low rpms (steering barely works at idle, used to work easily). If I run the tractor fast they seem pretty strong, but the pump will start making noise after a while. I don't think the filter's plugged because it is strong when the oil is cold and thick (the oil and filter are about 1 year old). I don't notice any leaks besides a little drip somewhere below the steering shaft that has always been there. Any suggestions on what to check or adjust? I know little about those type of pumps. If the pumps at fault, how difficult is it to change and does anyone know a reliable place to order one? Thanks.

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Wrenchbender

12-14-2000 10:28:54




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 Re: 1855 Oliver hydraulics in reply to alan, 12-12-2000 19:40:01  
If you take the compensator valve apart, count the number of turns you unscrew the slotted plug that tightens the spring down. This is what sets the system operating pressure so you'll want to get it back as close to where it was before. Good luck, WB.



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larry wolfe

12-13-2000 10:41:40




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 Re: 1855 Oliver hydraulics in reply to alan, 12-12-2000 19:40:01  
It sounds like a sticking compensator valve,this valve controls the pumping rate of the pump.Its fairly comon to need to clean or replace the spring or plunger after the pump has been replaced.ON the 1855 its the small thing held onto the end of pump with 4 small bolts. Take it off mafe sure the holes are open,remove the spring and see if the plunger slides free.There is allways a chance that the multiple regulating valves are sticking and need to be cleaned.Do not replace the pump without cleaning the valves first.

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alan

12-14-2000 17:35:57




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 Re: Re: 1855 Oliver hydraulics in reply to larry wolfe, 12-13-2000 10:41:40  
The screw that holds the spring in has one thread exposed above it, 5 1/2 turns from starting. I cleaned it but I didn't see any buildup, everything is loose, no scratches, spring is strong. That made no difference, pump still acts the same. The noise it makes after a while almost sounds like it's running dry, but I would think if the filter was plugged it wouldn't work good while cold. Oil was flowing out the whole time I had the valve off. The pump before this one lasted over 15 years that I know of and my dad always used the same oil, and so do I. I recently purchased a new Haybuster 2620 and just noticed something. After the tractor's warm if I have the rpms up a little, the big cylinder in the rear that lifts in the bales will extend and retract with the hydraulic pressure at nearly the same rate. If the rpms are down, the cylinder will extend the shaft very slowly almost unnoticeable (the shaft goes up, raising the bale fork). While retracting, the cylinder will fall faster (from the weight of the fork assembly). After lowering while idling, the fluid level in the reservoir will be higher. If I increase the rpms and raise and lower the fork, the oil level will be normal. Your help is appreciated guys. I'm afraid I've taught myself everything I don't know about hydraulics.

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Adam

12-14-2000 18:40:27




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 Re: Re: Re: 1855 Oliver hydraulics in reply to alan, 12-14-2000 17:35:57  
I've had similar truble it acted much the same. Didn't think it at first but it was in fact the filter. Also if you take the filter out check for metal filings. The only other thing i can think of off hand besides a falty pump is your sucking air some how. good luck.



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Shepherd

12-18-2000 07:56:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1855 Oliver hydraulics in reply to Adam, 12-14-2000 18:40:27  
I had an 1855 act simular to what Adam was talking about. Real jumpy system with not much power. I found it was air in the system. Mine had a circulator pump on the left side on the front that would pump oil to the cooler. These pumps have a gasket behind the pulley that if it goes bad will suck in air and put air all throught the hydraulic system. Mine leaked fluid a little from the circulator pump a little right before it did that. If you suspect air in the system this would be a place to start.

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