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Oliver 880 vs. AC D-17

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Earl

10-31-2000 12:57:12




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Any of you folks have honest incite and opinion about the pluses and minuses of an Oliver 880 with 3-pt versus an AC d-17 series II or IV?




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Oliver Matt

11-01-2000 09:36:49




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 Re: Oliver 880 vs. AC D-17 in reply to Earl, 10-31-2000 12:57:12  
My biggest gripe with the D-17 is lack of true live hydraulics. I used one that belonged to a friend. I don't know what series it is but when you push on the clutch the 3pt hitch (Allis called it something else-can't think of it) would not operate. Apparently the pump ran off something in the trans and when you push the clutch it would stop operating. Maybe I didn't know how to use it. Outside of that the hydraulic system is probably superior to an 880. My personal preference is for the 880 though.

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Mike M

11-02-2000 08:42:49




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 Re: Re: Oliver 880 vs. AC D-17 in reply to Oliver Matt, 11-01-2000 09:36:49  
The theory with the Allis was that you use the hand clutch to "stop and go", so that the foot clutch would remain engaged and hydraulics and PTO would continue to operate. The fly in the ointment was that you couldn't shift from forward to reverse (or between forward gears) without using the foot clutch- so if you were doing "back and forth" work with a backblade, for instance, the hydraulic lift (they called it "snap coupler" until they started with the 3 point on Series IV)came to a halt while shifting. It was also annoying if you were using the tractor hydraulics for a loader- you don't realize how much time you spend lifting a loader while shifting gears!

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Oliver Matt

11-02-2000 16:26:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Oliver 880 vs. AC D-17 in reply to Mike M, 11-02-2000 08:42:49  
That sounds right. I was trying to use a rear mounted blade. The tractor also had a loader but it run off of its own pump-probably off the crankshaft on front of engine. I think this one was a series III but not sure.



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Mike M

11-01-2000 08:57:45




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 Re: Oliver 880 vs. AC D-17 in reply to Earl, 10-31-2000 12:57:12  
I've owned both, and liked both. As far as 3 points go, I don't believe the Oliver or the Series II Allis have draft control, while the Series IV Allis does. It's vital if you're going to plow or use 3 point tillage implements. The tractors themselves have different "feels"- the Oliver is much larger, has bigger turning radius, better traction, more power, etc.- and is more suited to tillage and "big" operations. The Allis is more like a utility tractor, and much easier to manage in tight places. I prefer the completely independent PTO of the Oliver, although the two speed "power director" on the Allis is nice, especially for baling. The nice thing about both is the 6 cylinder engine- too many eardrums have been assaulted by the infernal 4 (and 3) cylinders in competitors tractors. As to which is best- I'd like one of each in my collection!

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LazyHorse

10-31-2000 13:24:43




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 Re: Oliver 880 vs. AC D-17 in reply to Earl, 10-31-2000 12:57:12  
I answered your first post on the Allis board.



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John vetter

11-04-2000 18:46:39




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 Re: Re: Oliver 880 vs. AC D-17 in reply to LazyHorse, 10-31-2000 13:24:43  
The allis is not even in the same ball park!



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LB

11-05-2000 13:17:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Oliver 880 vs. AC D-17 in reply to John vetter, 11-04-2000 18:46:39  
I know the Allis isn't in the same ballpark. The oliver is in the minor leagues and the Allis is in the Majors on the All-Star team!! lol



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