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Steve T

03-12-2000 07:33:32

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I went and checked out the 88 standard with a loader a little closer yesterday. According to the tag, its a 1949 model. The loader is going to need to be pulled off and some cracks welded up. the loader pump growls a bit and might be wore out. Both of the lift cylinders leak and will need to be rebuilt. The valves leak, and hold the loader up most of the time, but sometimes the loader will creep down. The charging system doesnt work. the right brake has a broken rod from the pedel to the brake. I was correct in assuming that there was a broken roll pin for the PTO shaft lever. I was able to fanagle the PTO into gear and it makes a horrible noise and sounds like the engagement bearing is out. The transmission has a SMALL whine in all gears, but seeing how these are straight cut gears (I looked in the fill plug hole)everything seems fine here. The Charlynn steering needs something, not sure if its the pump or the steering unit itself.It works a little better at high R.P.M. and moving. Now for the biggie, and I need some advice here. The oil pressure is (cold) 15 pounds at an idle, and 30 pounds at speed. It drops to 5 pounds at an idle (hot) and 25 pounds at speed. If this was a modern engine, I would be concerned, how ever, I am treading on unfamililar water where Olivers are concerned and am not sure if this is normal or not. Can anyone tell me what the normal oil presure should be on this engine? Im thinking on offering him around $1800.00 to $2000.00 for it. I guess if all else fails, a big six out of something else will fit it(Im thinking 4 cyl.diesel here). I see some people here use the 88's for pulling, so its my guess the transmission will take the abuse. Thank you all for your help on this, it is most appreciated. Steve T

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WFE

03-14-2000 10:00:18

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Re: 88 standard UPDATE in reply to Steve T, 03-12-2000 07:33:32

Oil pressure figures are sound. Those vintage Ollies didn't carry high oil pressures, and did fine without them.

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Scott Green

03-12-2000 16:30:46

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Re: 88 standard UPDATE in reply to Steve T, 03-12-2000 07:33:32

I'm reading this out of my service manual:Oil pressure at engine operating temperature is as follows. LOW 0-5 lbs.; Working range 5-15 lbs. It sounds to me like that tractor has really been neglected and beat on. Personally , I think you are going to offer him more money than it is worth.My brother is asking $2500.00 for his Oliver"77" standard tractor.His tractor is in exellent shape.Who ever buys his tractor can jump on the seat and go to work.It needs nothing.Look in Yesterdays tractor (Photo adds) and compare his tractor to the one you are talking about buying.It is on one of the last pages.So don't be disapointed when you do not see it right away. Scott Green

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thanks Scott

03-13-2000 19:37:17

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Re: Re: 88 standard UPDATE in reply to Scott Green, 03-12-2000 16:30:46

Thanks for taking the time to look in your book for the oil pressure spec's for me, I apreciate it. The posting below is for you as well. Steve T

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Dick L

03-12-2000 07:59:25

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Re: 88 standard UPDATE in reply to Steve T, 03-12-2000 07:33:32

I would take the 1 off that 1800 if I was you and then your still going to have to have deep pockets and a lot of time. I would say it's in for an overhaul, 5# is just to low. Power steering repair is costly as well and with the break linkage broken it probably means that it has been stomped on hard because the breaks were bad. Add a break job to the repair cost. And then power takeoff repair. Transmisson is fairly rugged and most all whine. It sounds like something I would do but then I know that I'm nuts. Rebuilding old iron is a great hobby and keeps me out of bars but just as broke. Good luck and have fun.

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Thanks for your advice

03-13-2000 19:34:32

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Re: Re: 88 standard UPDATE in reply to Dick L, 03-12-2000 07:59:25

Im really starting to get cold feet on this one. I am looking for somthing with a loader on it, and this one was a possibility. If it wasnt for the the low oil pressure, I would have been more interested in it. The other stuff could be fixed with out a tremendious amount of time, but I was not to keen on pulling the engine and putting in a crank kit, or what ever else it might need. The scary part is, is that it was suposed to have been a rebuilt engine. I was told that the guy that owns it (I never talked to the owner) spent $1400.00 on a rebuild, I checked on parts costs for this engine. A rebuild kit costs around $1200.00 bucks, so Im thinking that they didnt have the crank turned, and just threw a new set of bearings at it. I kinda threw an offer of $1800.00 dollars at him, and havent heard back yet, but the more time that goes buy, the less im interested. Thank you all for taking the time to answer my questions. Steve T

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Dean

03-14-2000 13:42:41

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Re: Re: Re: 88 standard UPDATE in reply to Thanks for your advice, 03-13-2000 19:34:32

You did yourself a favor. I used to rebuild engines when I was much younger and when a rebuilt engine has low oil pressure it usually means that the rebuilder did not pay attention to bearing clearances. The engine will run, but eventually pound the bearings into dust.

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Steve T

03-14-2000 20:22:28

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 88 standard UPDATE in reply to Dean, 03-14-2000 13:42:41

Thats kinda what I thought to.
Steve T

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Dick L

03-14-2000 06:25:09

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Re: Re: Re: 88 standard UPDATE in reply to Thanks for your advice, 03-13-2000 19:34:32

I kinda want to beleive people when they tell me how they put money in the tractors and for the most part it will be true. I went to look look at a 77 about two years ago. I set up a time to look at the tractor and it happened to be after dark and the young man selling the tractor came out with his three little girls. I would say 6,4 and 2. He was trying to be a full time farmer but worked away from the farm part time for extra money. The tractor was running when I drove in but the lights went dim and the engine quit before I could get on the tractor. He said that he didn't have any jumper cables so I just looked it over with a flashlight. He told me that he had overhauled it and give it a paint job with the intention of giving it to his Father because he thought that a Oliver 77 was the first new tractor that his Father bought when farming. When he went to give the tractor to his Father he found out that it was an Allis Chalmers WD 45 in stead of the 77 and he wanted to sell the 77 and get an Allis. I paid him and went back the next day with my truck and trailer and no one was around. I jumped the tractor and it started right off. I backed the trailer close to the back of the tractor in case it stoped it would be easer the winch on. I backed the tractor on and found that there was no breaks.I managed to bang shift it an get it shut down. I got it home and changed the breaks and drove it down the road only to find out that a rod started to knock. The point of this is to let you know that all stories, no mater how good they sound, are not true.

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Steve T

03-14-2000 20:21:03

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 88 standard UPDATE in reply to Dick L, 03-14-2000 06:25:09

I know exactly what you are saying. I was pretty excited when I first looked at the tractor, and didnt have much time to really get a good look at it the first time out. I was able to go back that saturday and spend about 2 hours playing with it (in the light of day). I found a lot more things wrong with it at that time,then when I first looked at it. I was almost ready to make a deal on it till the oil presure took a nose dive. It had 50lbs presure at speed with the engine still a little cold, and 25 lbs at idle. Well it lost almost all presure hot at idle, and only 25 lbs at speed. Still sounds like crank bearings to me. I still believe that they looked at the crank (with out a mic.) and probably thought it looked good enough for a set of new bearings, and left it at that. I am curently rebuilding a C-113 engine for my IHC model "A" tractor, and thought the same thing. A trip to the machine shop told a different story tho. It wound up needing to be turned .010 to clean it up. The machiniest said that it was slightly out of round, so I was WAY money ahead to have it turned instead of trying to "Get by" ,like what I think they did with the "88". I was told the guy spent $1400.00 in rebuilding the engine, and a quick look at rebuild kits told me he spent around $1200.00 dollors for the basic kit. I have almost $1500.00 dollors into the engine for my "A" and am still a little bit shy of enough cash to put the engine together, all that I have left is haveing the rods rebuilt. Its amazing how fast this little engine sucked up all my cash, but it is getting everything that I felt it needed, including timing gears,governor gear (a little over $200.00 for all three) lifters, hardened seats in the head, etc: and I know if he had REALLY went through the engine on the "88", he would have spent a LOT more then what I spent on my "A". I offered him $1800.00 and havent got a response back from him yet, so Ill wait and see. thanks for your insite.
Steve T

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