1650 Gas

1650 brakes are excellent - work as nice as on a 4020, and cost a lot less to repair. Will lock the wheels on a hard road with moderate pedal pressure. Brake discs seem to last a long time, and are simple to replace when they do wear out.

The 3-point is solid and has plenty of power. One minor complaint: The rockshaft and remote hydraulics are inactive at low idle. The motor's gotta be turning about 800 RPM or so before the hydraulics "wake up". (The power steering however works fine even at 450 RPM - probably result a priority valve doing it's job...)

One other comment: I'd judge the standard ag wide front axle a bit light for loader work. The industrial wide front (solid plate beam axle with 900x20 tires) is a better choice for loader duty. So if the 1650 you're looking at has an ag axle, I'd look it over carefully for cracked welds, etc.

Prices? That's a hard one to answer. Around here (upstate NY) I'd guess $4,500 - $5,500 with the loader depending on general condition, tires, etc.

Only minor weaknesses: Exhaust manifolds tend to crack and fail after several years of extended max load operation (plowing). Also during full load service in hot weather, it tends to boil the fuel in the gas tank. This can be relieved somewhat by removing the sheet metal decorative side shields in hot weather.

Parts are still available and prices are acceptable. Many wearing parts (alternator, starter, ignition, etc) are made by Delco, Holley, etc and are readily obtainable at local auto parts stores.

Don't recall the HP, but I'd guess it's around 60 or 65 - it'll pull a 5 x 14 plow in 3rd direct all day long.

We also have a 1600 Industrial (gas) with an Oliver loader. It too has been an excellent tractor with the notable exception of the Reverse-o-Torq transmission - we've found it's rather delicate, and costs way too much repair.

Hope this helps...

Question : Who made the Reverse-0-Torq? Answer: Funk Machine, Coffeeville, KS
Question: Who owns Funk? Answer: Deere and Company.

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