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How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550)

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Danny Yerks

02-21-2000 06:03:04




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I looked at a couple of Super 55's and 550's in the last few months. I've never been able to figure out how to shift one. The owners didn't seem to know either! I posted a question on this board a couple of months ago and somebody told me to do the following:

Let go in neutral and let handle center itself. Push forward for top 4 gears or pull back for bottom 4 gears.

Since I got those instructions, I haven't had a chance to try driving one again until a couple of days ago. I found neutral, but it won't go forward or back without going to the left or right first. I tried to follow the pattern on the dash, but I can't move the lever forward or back in neutral, the only way I can move it forward or back is to put it in gear. Is there a trick here (do you pull up or push down on the lever? How hard should I push or pull on the lever?) If I go left-forward I get a low forward gear (1st?). If I go left-back I get a low reverse gear (R1?) If I go right-forward I get a high forward gear and if I go right-back I get a medium forward gear. When I have it in neutral, I can move it left and right and the lever goes down when I move it to the left and up when I move it to the right. I can't seem to get from this range,

1 5 N
R1 2

to this range,

3 6 N
R2 4

So, what is the trick to shifting these tractors? The owner just got it and doesn't know much about Olivers, so he didn't know how to shift it either. Is there something wrong with it?

Thanks, Danny

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jake

03-15-2000 20:32:26




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 Re: How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550) in reply to Danny Yerks, 02-21-2000 06:03:04  
Dan here is a way you can see how the shift works. Remove the shift lever and observe the three rods in view, the center rod has a slot for the shift[the only function of the rod is hi-lo,forward is hi-rear lo] can be moved with a long screwdriver. thr right rod has 2 vertical slots 1&R in lo-4&R2 in hi. The left rod has the same slots 2&3 in lo and 5&6 in hi. these can be be put in position with the driver and test run. There is only one way to put it together. The left and right in line with the center rod. Mine had been taken apart and the shift rod springs lost, these springs are on either side of the shift rod and when tractor is in neutral the stickwill stand to center. Replacements were made using 1/2 x 1 conduit sleeves and an ace hdware spring and work well

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Thanks for all your help, Danny

02-22-2000 05:56:54




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 Re: How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550) in reply to Danny Yerks, 02-21-2000 06:03:04  
Thanks everyone for your comments and suggestions! I haven't bought this tractor yet and am planning to test drive it again sometime this week and I'll see if I have better luck getting through the gears. If I can't, I'll try to get him to come down on the price. He wants $3000 for it and it needs new rear tires (I'm amazed they hold air!) and the rear rims are rusted through in places. Otherwise, there's not much rust and it seems to run ok. It has a loader on it (but no bucket) and the drawbar going between the 2 bottom 3pt hitch arms is bent, so I'm afraid it has had hard life. The front end is in good shape, it has PS and new front tires.

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Jake

03-13-2000 23:23:48




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 Re: Re: How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550) in reply to Thanks for all your help, Danny, 02-22-2000 05:56:54  
I bought a 55 with a similar problem and suspected yhe shift forks were bent or damaged. There is no way to view the forks and gears without taking the top cover off. I found that the2 screws holding the fork to the shaft were loose and just needed new lock washers. Prior to taking it apart the gears would grind slightly when trying to shift which gave the indication of a fork problem.



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Dick L

02-22-2000 09:36:37




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 Re: Re: How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550) in reply to Thanks for all your help, Danny, 02-22-2000 05:56:54  
You might want to ask the guy if he could draw a few drops of oil from the bottom of the axle housing. If water comes out ask him to catch the water in a pail to see how much water is in it. Look at the rubber boot around the shift lever, if it is split as a lot of them are, then you will find water in the transmission if the tractor has set out. With the shifting problem you just might find water. If the owner can't shift it between ranges it's time for a price reduction. Keep it to your self but the shifting problem is not real hard to fix. Some take apart, some sand paper, three new detent steel balls, some put back togather. This is a problem that I have run into several times with Oliver tractors that have been let set out side for years.

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Dsl

02-21-2000 14:47:21




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 Re: How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550) in reply to Danny Yerks, 02-21-2000 06:03:04  
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This was a great little tractor--a Cockshutt 550, redecaled 'White'. It was a one owner tractor, and very carefully maintained; it had over 6000 hours on it, and still ran and drove like new. Just a nimble, easy driving, honey of a tractor. I sold it, though, because I wanted a Cockshutt 550 Deisel w/power steering. Big mistake--didn't realise at the time how hard they were to find. Oh, well, live and learn.

To shift between high and low neutrals, just estimate center of travel, and, if you're in the 'lo' neutral, ease forward on the stick(no lifting, pulling, twisting, or any other action required) and see if you feel a gate: if you do, then add some pressure, and the stick should slide through with a satisfying firmness, and maybe a little grind or clash. If you don't keep feeling around til you do. A little grinding or clashing won't hurt it any--just don't be rough with it. The opposite for the shift from 'hi' to 'lo' neutrals.

I always enjoyed rowing gears on Olivers--when you gain some experience, you'll find you don't need the clutch at all to shift from 1st right through to 6th, including the neutral changes--just the proper amount of throttle with your right hand, and the left one on the shifter. This is true on all of them from the 66 on up to the 2255, excluding the Super 44/440, 500/600, and maybe (I'm not sure)the 99/Super 99/950/995. I showed that to a dealer on a 1750 with a clutch that wouldn't release--he said I wouldn't be able to test drive it because of it's condition, so I jumped on, put it in 1st, and started it, (the batteries were good, and, as usual, the saftey start switch had worn out, and hadn't been replaced) and ran it through all the gears, and even shifted between 'hi' and 'lo' reverses.(had to shut it off, and restart in reverse 1) Surprised him, to say the least. Nothing like an Oliver.

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jeff

02-21-2000 14:27:15




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 Re: How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550) in reply to Danny Yerks, 02-21-2000 06:03:04  
hi danny, it was me that wrote you the letter how to shift it. once upon a time.
if it does not shift as easy as i suggested there is a problem no tricks involved.
i've had a couple apart before .what you or any that have problems shifting the double h pattern
transmission is a stuck ball detent on the shaft
that is suppose to slide. it could be stuck because water got in the tranny and rusted it or
a spring broke, or both. no use forcing it you'll
just bust something expensive. not hard to fix
but you do need to take the top off the tranny.
its a good chance to look things over in there anyway. since that wasn't taken care of you never know what else you might find and fix before it
gets serious. if you drive the tractor very often you'll
really be thankful you spent the time to fix it
right. heck its like gaining 4 speeds.

ask if you have more
questions love to talk you thru the repair.

jeff

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Tony Snyder

02-21-2000 13:48:50




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 Re: How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550) in reply to Danny Yerks, 02-21-2000 06:03:04  
Don't feel bad mine is a little tough to. I have a 61 550 that I have only had since sept. 99. The day I bought it I had a heck of a time getting it on the trailer. Since then I have gotten better at it. I have the same problem you are having. I sometimes think I am in one range and am in another. However, I like having the reverse in each range.

I don't have trouble within the range just getting from one range to the other.

I have kind of learned to live with it. I like the tractor.

I had a burned valve that caused a miss. I took the head off and had it rebuilt.. They found a crack thru one of the exhaust valves. I can't find a good head. Anyone out there have a suggestion.

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Danny Yerks

02-21-2000 06:29:15




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 Re: How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550) in reply to Danny Yerks, 02-21-2000 06:03:04  
By the way, I live near Columbus, Indiana (about 45 miles south of Indianapolis). Does anybody who owns a Super 55 or 550 and lives in this area be willing to show me how to drive it?



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Aaron

02-21-2000 08:39:21




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 Re: Re: How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550) in reply to Danny Yerks, 02-21-2000 06:29:15  
Does the tractor have a shift pattern plate? If so, then at least finding the gears should be easy. To get from high range to low range, just let the stick center itself, then push forward or pull backwards. It should go easily. Getting it into a given gear might be hard at a stand still. It's been a long time since I've driven an Oliver, but I think it's fairly straight forward to shift. Just keep playing with it and see what you come up with.
Aaron

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I tried that and still couldn't get it to work, Danny Yerks

02-21-2000 09:18:37




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 Re: Re: Re: How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550) in reply to Aaron, 02-21-2000 08:39:21  
Thanks, but I tried letting the stick center itself and pushing forward or pulling back, and it wouldn't go either way. I had the tractor running and warmed up with the clutch pushed in. I doesn't grind when I put it in gear, but I can't get from one range to another (I'm not sure what range it's in, but I think it's the range that has R1, 1st, 2nd, and 5th gears). It does have a shift pattern on the dash. I tried to draw it out earlier, but it didn't come out right because this text editor is using a variable width font and takes out extra spaces. The shift pattern shows R1, 1st, 2nd, and 5th on top, and R2, 3rd, 4th, and 6th on the bottom with a line going between them marked "N".

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Mongo

02-21-2000 15:23:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550) in reply to I tried that and still couldn't get it to work, Danny Yerks, 02-21-2000 09:18:37  
Danny, I attached my home e-mail address. If you don't have it figured out by tomorrow, e-mail me directions to your house from Louisville, Ky. I live in southern Indiana and would be glad to help you.



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Keith

02-21-2000 14:39:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550) in reply to I tried that and still couldn't get it to work, Danny Yerks, 02-21-2000 09:18:37  
Danny, Sounds like you are hung up in the low side. If you were in the Hi side you would know by the reverse gear. Its to fast to safely hook up anything. With years of wear every one is different. Mine is easy and my dad's takes just a tap with the palm of the hand. If it doesn't free up soon I would find an old oliver dealer over there. there has to be an adj. of some kind.



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steve from mo

02-21-2000 10:20:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How do you shift this thing!? (Super 55/550) in reply to I tried that and still couldn't get it to work, Danny Yerks, 02-21-2000 09:18:37  
If this tractor has one shift lever like most other Olivers, it might just be a matter of feeling your way to the right spot to get between ranges. What you have is an H pattern on top and another on bottom. When you move the shifter just right, it feels like you go to another set of gears, but you're really just shifting a high-low gearset.

My grandfather's 66 was real easy to get between ranges but the 88 my dad bought later was sometimes tough. The spot should be about in the middle between the gears you can use in the range you are in. You have to have the clutch in to safely change ranges. Good luck.

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