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Richard Kinney

05-21-2008 08:48:31




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This is a question to Super 99 or 990 pullers, or anyone with a good knowledge of the subject. I am going to be using my 990 for some pull events but I intend to keep the motor pretty much "stock". I am going to increase the fast idle RPM's on the motor to 2150. And, I am wondering how much HP increase you can get by installing the "N" Series injectors vs. the standard ones that are in this engine. And, does changing to the "N" Series injectors require an additional new parts besides the injector lines?

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Richard Kinney

05-24-2008 18:13:23




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 Re: 990 Oliver GM in reply to Richard Kinney, 05-21-2008 08:48:31  
Thanks for all of the feedback guys. Now, how can I tell if my block has the large ports and sleeves. When I took the air box cover off one cylinder, the openings were elongated and looked like the second picture that Ollie sent us. The block port and the sleeve port are the same. But, they may well be the small ports. My engine serial # is 3A-37592 and engine model # is 3023.Does anyone have a reference book that could tell me which ports I have in my engine?

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3-71 fan

05-24-2008 21:55:25




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 Re: 990 Oliver GM in reply to Richard Kinney, 05-24-2008 18:13:23  
Simple way to found out if you have the big air port block is see if an American quarter will fit through the air port opening in the block. Don't drop the quarter. If it does not fit you do not have the big air ports. What you really want to know though is if you have N-series pistons.



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Richard Kinney

05-24-2008 18:13:19




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 Re: 990 Oliver GM in reply to Richard Kinney, 05-21-2008 08:48:31  
Thanks for all of the feedback guys. Now, how can I tell if my block has the large ports and sleeves. When I took the air box cover off one cylinder, the openings were elongated and looked like the second picture that Ollie sent us. The block port and the sleeve port are the same. But, they may well be the small ports. My engine serial # is 3A-37592 and engine model # is 3023.Does anyone have a reference book that could tell me which ports I have in my engine?

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Olliecollects

05-24-2008 19:13:50




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 Re: 990 Oliver GM in reply to Richard Kinney, 05-24-2008 18:13:19  
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Richard, Take notice of the second picture (prior posting), the late model sleave opening is still smaller than the (large port) block opening. So far we have not seen any performance-difference's. Also as a quick reference from the outside (identification), early 371's had "GM" stamp on right side. The later 371's have the Detroit cymbal. Picture that I've posted shows the later Detroit engine (power unit). This engine would have to be reconfigured and you would use your bellhouseing,governer exaust-maifold,front motor mounts, front crank pulley, fan, possibly your starter and a few other odds & ends. Hope this helps.

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Richard Kinney

05-26-2008 13:42:46




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 Re: 990 Oliver GM in reply to Olliecollects, 05-24-2008 19:13:50  
Thanks guys! I have adjusted the fast idle to 2100 RPMs, the slow idle to 500 RPMs, and adjusted the governor control as recommended by the shop manual. I looked at the engine block and it is apparently the old style block because it has GM instead of Detroit Diesel on indicated on the right side of the engine block.

The engine was just overhauled before I bought this tractor with new sleeves, pistons, and entire in-frame overhaul. I have no idea if the engine had N sleeves and pistons installed...but I doubt it. Therefore, I need to maximize what I have.

I may benefit from replacing the rebuilt injectors in it with N injectors but don't know if they can be installed in my head. The serial # on my head casting is 5183927. If any of you guys have an old reference book could you tell me? Also, the rebuilt injectors that are in the head have the following # B1206. Do any of you guys know what style and size these injectors are? My shop manual says they original engine came with 3 different sizes of injector tips for this engine, and of course they were not "needle valve" injectors. I would cerainly appreciate your advise. Please include your E-mail address with any responses. Thanks!

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Olliecollects

05-21-2008 20:25:23




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 Re: 990 Oliver GM in reply to Richard Kinney, 05-21-2008 08:48:31  
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Picture of Large port on later released Detroit engines & small port opening on early GM engines.



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3-71 fan

05-22-2008 20:08:22




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 Re: 990 Oliver GM in reply to Olliecollects, 05-21-2008 20:25:23  
Nice photos. Those are photos of a large port sleeve and a small port sleeve both installed in a small air port engine block. Later released engine blocks have larger air ports that do not block the large port sleeves. You will never get the full advantage of the large port sleeves with that early engine block. If you need a picture of large air port block with large port sleeve I can provide one but I don't know how to post it here.

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Olliecollects

05-25-2008 11:00:15




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 Re: 990 Oliver GM in reply to 3-71 fan, 05-22-2008 20:08:22  
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It takes a little practice, I've posted the email site for downloads. I hope you have patience,it will be worth it.



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05-21-2008 17:30:31




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 Re: 990 Oliver GM in reply to Richard Kinney, 05-21-2008 08:48:31  
I've been known to do some pulling with a 3-71 powered Oliver.

N-series injectors have a better spray pattern and deliver at a higher pressure. It's impossible to say exactly how much HP you will gain just by putting in N-series injectors without knowing what your engine has or without knowing what size injectors you plan on putting in. As an example, if you have N-series pistons and sleeves then N-series injectors are going to help a little more than if you have the old HV pistons and sleeves. Also, if you are going to the trouble of replacing the injectors for the purpose of pulling you will probably put in bigger injectors too. With bigger N-series injectors you can expect to see a fairly significant HP increase. Incredible HP increase for the money actually. At a guess I would say up to 30% more HP. You won't have any problems with big injectors pulling because pulls are relatively short but you could have problems if you lugged your engine down doing something like plowing. I recommend installing an N-series cam if you are going to install N-series injectors but most guys don't.

Changing from HV-series injectors to N-series injectors does not require any new parts. Not even "injector lines". Just make sure you get the right injectors for your head.

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Tramway Guy

05-21-2008 10:08:50




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 Re: 990 Oliver GM in reply to Richard Kinney, 05-21-2008 08:48:31  
The "N" stands for 'Needle' which refers to the type of valve in the tip. The N series has much better spray pattern than the older ones, better utilization of fuel. You can get injectors in various plunger sizes, that will basically determine how much fuel you can put in.
But keep in mind they will only put out as much power as you can put air in to burn the fuel; any more and you will just generate useless black smoke.
New type sleeves would help 'breathing' a little bit. You can pull off one of the air box covers and see if you have the old style ports or not.
As far as I know, all the injectors are basically interchangeable, but do not mix more than one type on an engine.
I am going by memory here, it is a long time since I worked on one of these....

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