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Dalton Sogla

01-31-2008 20:52:10




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My grandpa used to pull with a old 77 diesel. It has now sat in the back of his shed for the past 20+ yrs because it spun a rod bearing. How hard would this be to replace or fix? How much would it cost? Would I have to get the crankshaft reworked or get a new crankshaft? I'm not sure if it is stuck, but if it is, it can be too bad. It's been sitting in a shed, away from the elements. Another bad thing though, its been sitting that long without any oil in the engine. It has also has a few parts stolen, but I figured i could just buy a parts tractor for a few hundred bucks and get the parts off of that. I know its missing a gas tank, the grill and radiator to say the least. It has 18.4 tires, which are weathered some, with two sets of wheel weights on it. It also has two way hydraulics, so if i just put some regular sized tires on it, it could be nice for pulling a disk around. How hard do you think it would be to get this old girl running again? I'm sure since I'm his only grandson, and if I play my cards right, he'd probably give it to me. What do you guys think? Is it worth the money? I will post pics the next time I get up to his farm. Thanks

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J Schwiebert

02-01-2008 06:53:31




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 Re: Fix up? in reply to Dalton Sogla, 01-31-2008 20:52:10  
77 Diesels are kind of unique or is this a Super 77? Bring a serial number back. Now the worst thing you can do is to see if it is stuck and try to turn it over. The pumping plunger in the injection pump can twist off while doing this. Kiss $800 dollars good by so the first thing to do is unbolt the drive gear from the pump then you can try to turn it to see if it is stuck. You don't see many early 77 Fleetline diesels at shows. The ones with flat fuel lines and the KS fuel filter. More questions for now? J.

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Dalton Sogla

02-01-2008 10:39:55




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 Re: Fix up? in reply to J Schwiebert, 02-01-2008 06:53:31  
Where is the serial plate on it? It is a rowcrop, but I dont know if that would make a difference.



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J Schwiebert

02-01-2008 18:10:44




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 Re: Fix up? in reply to Dalton Sogla, 02-01-2008 10:39:55  
One of 2 locations depending on the year. Early ones will be on the transmission case about straight down from the gearshift handle. Later ones will have the plate on the dash. Early ones also have the letterDSL stamped on the serial number plate. J.



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Ken COWBOY Winiarski

02-01-2008 05:13:07




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 Re: Fix up? in reply to Dalton Sogla, 01-31-2008 20:52:10  
A reground crankshaft will cost you about $550.00 with bearings and shipping. Ready to drop right in. Or you can get your old one reground for about $175.00 to $250.00, than you will need new bearings for about $250.00 or so.

A used rod can be had for around $20.00 or less if needed. Ebay is great for finding stuff reasonable. Gasket sets are expensive around $225.00.

It all depends on how much work or money you want to put into the old girl. But it should be well worth the effort.

Removing the engine is easy and working on it isn't very hard. I am in the process of doing the same thing on a Super 88 with 2 spun bearings. Needing 3 rods also. I posted questions as to upgrading the engine as someone put in an old 88 engine.

This is a learning experience as I go also, but I have rebuilt over 50 tractors, just not a 77 or 88.

COWBOY in Maine

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jeffbrown

02-01-2008 10:43:01




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 Re: Fix up? in reply to Ken COWBOY Winiarski, 02-01-2008 05:13:07  
Someone is sure taking you on the gasket sets COWBOY, I buy a complete fel-pro set with everything from my dealer for $94.00. Just rebuilt my super 77 diesel and rebuilt the hydrolics. I wouldn't worry about cost myself, maybe $2000 all together but you would be saving the old girl from death before it's too late. You will need time and space more than anything because after you start it will really get you hooked!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! Just tell him what you wanna do and I'm more than sure he'd love to see her working the fields again too.

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Ken COWBOY Winiarski

02-01-2008 13:32:59




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 Re: Fix up? in reply to jeffbrown, 02-01-2008 10:43:01  
I would be extremely happy to get a complete gasket set for my early 88 diesel engine for around $100.00,... Valu-Bilt says over $225.00 for a early 88 diesel without the rear crank seal.

I tried the local auto parts stores (Local means 55 miles away) but a lot of them don't have a listing anymore or a discontinued item from their stock. Especially NAPA which I deal with regularly.

Do you know of any good places to get Oliver parts (NEW and USED) for a reasonable price?

COWBOY in Maine

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jeffbrown

02-01-2008 23:00:50




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 Re: get parts help in reply to Ken COWBOY Winiarski, 02-01-2008 13:32:59  
I get all my parts from my farm dealer that sold oliver, white, kubota, ford. All the fel-pro sets start with a FS part number and this set has everything and I mean everything plus alot more stuff I don't have a clue what there for. I asked about the injector seals and we didn't see them in the list of contents so I bought them too and they were in the set when I got it too. I know the people at AUTOZONE don't know much but they should have a FEL-PRO book and just look under farm or off-road. Good luck and I have found everything I have bought from VALU has sure went up over the years. My dealer is WILLIAMS FARM MACHINERY in charlotte michigan and number is 517-543-4770, ask for Stacy and he can help you out if you can't find anything without wasting a bunch on gas running all over.Ask about any other parts and you will be happy with the prices, He has beat anybody by far on everything I have bought for my FORD 7000, KUBOTA L2850, and my newest baby my OLIVER 1955 SUPER 77.

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J Schwiebert

02-01-2008 13:56:33




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 Re: Fix up? in reply to Ken COWBOY Winiarski, 02-01-2008 13:32:59  
Well till about 2 years ago NAPA sold Victor gaskets sets and there was an Oliver listing. Now for domestic automotive they handle Fel pro and Victor for import car parts. Don't know about ag and industrial. Also if you are going Super sleeves and pistons you will need a gasket set for a Super 88 so you get the correct head gasket. I am also concerned about the third digit in your crankshaft forging number. Is it stamped in the crankl or not. Also you asked about the hevier crank. Well in my minute experience I have never seen a broken Super 88 crank, but have changed a few 88 cranks that had oversize sleeves and pistons. I would think that Oliver factored this all in when the Super engines were being designed on the drawing boards.

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Ken COWBOY Winiarski

02-01-2008 16:08:42




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 Re: Fix up? in reply to J Schwiebert, 02-01-2008 13:56:33  
My crankshaft has a raised casting number of 190111,... But the center 2 digits look like they were peened flat and then has 12 stamped in there making it 191211 as the number.

Meaning that this was reworked to a different application, specification or something???

I guess I will just plan on getting a Super 88 crankshaft and the associated offset rods and install them in this configuration.

Also will plan on pulling the sleeves to see if they are thick enough to bore to 3-3/4 inch. From the bottom they look extremely thick, but may narrow in the water jacket.

COWBOY in Maine

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