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550 crankshaft

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Don-Wi

01-13-2008 14:39:33




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I helped my brother pull the old crankshaft out of the 550's engine today, and despite the former mechanic saying it was .030 undersize already I threw a Micrometer on it and only 1 of the rod journals was .010 under (2.239), the rest, including the 3 mains, were all .001 under (2.248) the size of the new (refurbished) crankshaft (2.249) that we bought along with the tractor.

Now the question remains: Anybody looking for a 550 crankshaft? We're gonna sell one of them, just not sure if it'll be the new one or the original yet. We'll probably sell the old one still needing work done to it so we can't be held liable for it and stick the new one in.

My brother's gonna call the engine shop we use and see how much to have them grind the old crank, probably .020 on the rods and .010 on the mains, if the mains even need to get ground at all.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Lanse

01-14-2008 18:00:03




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 H I !!! in reply to Don-Wi, 01-13-2008 14:39:33  
I would put it in the photo adds



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Phil J

01-14-2008 08:32:41




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 Re: 550 crankshaft in reply to Don-Wi, 01-13-2008 14:39:33  
I'd be interested in the crankshaft, Please let me know what you decide to do. Thanks



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BM

01-13-2008 15:00:18




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 Re: 550 crankshaft in reply to Don-Wi, 01-13-2008 14:39:33  
.010 under mains are on backorder from every bearing manufacturer I've been able to find for probably a year now. if you grind it .010 have the bearings in your hand first.



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Don-Wi

01-13-2008 18:32:19




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 Re: 550 crankshaft in reply to BM, 01-13-2008 15:00:18  
If that's truely the case, we could probably go without grinding them at all because they only measure .001 smaller than the refurbished one we bought with the tractor. Still well within specs for any engine I've ever seen. They said it didn't hold oil presure, but I think the 550 is a lower presure engine anyway.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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c35

01-14-2008 04:31:14




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 Re: 550 crankshaft in reply to Don-Wi, 01-13-2008 18:32:19  
Save yourself some grief and plastigauge the old crank in the old bearings before going further. 550 should have 25-30 lbs oil pressure with everything close to spec.

New std bearings and old crank may be your best solution. But don't guess - measure

Peter



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Don-Wi

01-14-2008 14:03:02




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 Re: 550 crankshaft in reply to c35, 01-14-2008 04:31:14  
There's one problem with that. We aren't gonna put the engine back together and in just to run it and see what the oil pressure looks like. One of the rod journals is worn .010 smaller than the rest and has gouges in it, so either way something will have to be done with atleast the rod journals.

The others I checked with a micrometer, which is way more accurate than plastigage and they are only 1 thou smaller (0.001") than the rod and main journals on the new crankshaft that came with the tractor. The rod bearings were replaced while it had an in-frame overhaul, but the main bearings were not replaced and show some wear.

I'm guessing that the shop that had it only thought that it was runnning low on oil pressure, because they're used to working on big diesel engines that have higher pressure.

When we went to pick it up, it had the pan off and the #1 rod journal off, so it wasn't about to fire up and drive onto the trailer.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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c35

01-15-2008 04:08:47




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 Re: 550 crankshaft in reply to Don-Wi, 01-14-2008 14:03:02  
It wasnt clear in your first post that the journals were worn ... with only .001 thou wear it sounded like they were very good.

My suggestion was to measure the fit between the old bearings and crank journals with plastigauge to determine if this is the source of your low engine oil pressure or not. Its a hour in the shop to know if your going to fix it with the machine shop work and new bearings or not. It would also answer your question as to use the reworked crank or not which was your original question.

Your oil pump could be the real culprit and you wont know that until you try to fire up the new rebuilt engine if you don't check now. The low oil pressure is just a fingerprint of a problem.

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