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3-point Scoop...what features?

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Steve Warfle

03-13-2000 05:32:31




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I have about 40 yards of topsoil to spread with my N (don't tell me about dozers, I gotta prove to my wife I need the N) over an area that is already level. It's an old gravel building subgrade that I want to make into a sports feild so my kids have a level place to play. I tried to spread it with a back blade, but it's too far to scrape. So my new plan is to scoop it and distribute it in little piles, and then spread it with my back blade and my Zane Thang equipped 2N.

Am I on the right track? If so, then what features do I want in a scoop? Does anybody have a brand they like? What do they cost?

Thanks
Steve

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Steve Warfle

03-14-2000 05:03:06




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 Re: 3-point Scoop...what features? in reply to Steve Warfle, 03-13-2000 05:32:31  
Well now I'm totally confused....just joking. I think I will buy a scoop anyway...and use the scraper for short runs, and the scoop for lnger hauls...Thanks for all the advise.

Steve



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ZANE

03-13-2000 17:57:04




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 Re: 3-point Scoop...what features? in reply to Steve Warfle, 03-13-2000 05:32:31  
You can move twice as much dirt with a box blade as you can with a scoop and be spreading it at the same time. I would difinately not use a scoop.



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Larry 8N75381

03-13-2000 17:15:45




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 Re: 3-point Scoop...what features? in reply to Steve Warfle, 03-13-2000 05:32:31  
I'll offer a differing opinion. Unless the pile of dirt is somewhere much different than the field you are trying to fill so you would be pulling dirt over ground that is not part of the field, I'd use my back blade. My back blade is a seven footer so I can pull as much dirt as you can put in a typical scoop.

Yes, dirt spills out the sides. BUT after a few trips, you have a channel that most of the dirt stays in. The spill over is why how far and over what you have to go is a critical factor. I like the back blade because it eliminates the backing up to fill the scoop - if that is the case. And it is VERY easily dumped by lifting the control lever.

I use draft control doing this. You start out with a "heavy" setting to grab a load and then adjust up to a "light" setting to hold the load as you move along. I built up a pile of dirt as high as my N, wide as the blade at the top and about three times the length of the N. About as high, wide and short as I felt safe driving up and over. I have some picts I will post.

MOST important!! is as one said, is the time you get to spend on the tractor "playing" in the dirt!! So don't try to make it go faster, would be my advise - "too far to scrape" is better in that view. :-)

As we here on the board say,
N-JOY!!

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jon

03-13-2000 10:01:13




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 Re: 3-point Scoop...what features? in reply to Steve Warfle, 03-13-2000 05:32:31  
You won't be dissappointed. Paid $189 plus tax at Tractor Supply Co. for mine. They're slow but mighty handy. I want to try the "pulley" trick, it gets hard to trip sometimes.
Good luck w/ it...



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Dan

03-13-2000 09:43:06




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 Re: 3-point Scoop...what features? in reply to Steve Warfle, 03-13-2000 05:32:31  
In my opinion you are on the good way.
I plan to build an house next year and previously I have to remove some dirt.
I am building on my own design a scoop 24" width 32" long and 16" height, reversible.
Regards
Daniel



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JamesC

03-13-2000 08:36:18




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 Re: 3-point Scoop...what features? in reply to Steve Warfle, 03-13-2000 05:32:31  
I have a Massey scoop. It's about 30 inches wide. In the last few weeks I moved about 15 yards of dirt with it. I took some time but sure beats a shovel and wheelborrow. Once you get your cordination in place, it will go fairly fast. I backed up to the pile as fast as I could to load the scoop. It my clay dirt, it's hard to fill the back of the scoop so a wider one would be better for me. Once I unloaded it, I would bump the scoop on the ground to latch it. The release rope is a problem. I got nervous with this rope on my lap, what if it got cought on the pto or elsewhere so I tied it to the fender yesterday. I'm considering adding a release lever on the tractor for it since its hard to pull or add a pulley like mentioned in the other response. I think a scoop and box blade are my 2 favorite tools. I really does not matter how long it takes to move the dirt, It's the joy of being on the tractor that counts.

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Sam (Mo.)

03-13-2000 08:03:08




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 Re: 3-point Scoop...what features? in reply to Steve Warfle, 03-13-2000 05:32:31  
Yep, the scoop is a great implement for what you are doing, and I agree with the others. I used mine last year to move a lot of dirt in preparation for building a 30 x 50 foot pole barn. It worked fine, and this summer I'm going to use the scoop and a box blade to re-gravel my driveway and put a gravel floor in the pole barn.

The scoop is often hard to dump because of the weight of the load. Pulling that rope hurts my hand, and sometimes the rope breaks - so I'm going to add a little pulley to the scoop frame like JerryU says he has. That's a great idea.

Something to watch - sometimes you get a load that won't tip over and dump because of the way the dirt is in the scoop. You have to turn off the tractor, go back there, and dump it by hand. Be careful when that happens, it has to be done but it's a good way to lose some fingers.

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Greg the implement Junkie

03-13-2000 07:18:06




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 Re: 3-point Scoop...what features? in reply to Steve Warfle, 03-13-2000 05:32:31  
I recently purchased a scoop for my 8N. It was the original Ford scoop that was marketed with the tractor. I paid $60 for it. My favorite equipment salvage yard here in Omaha also had a Dearborn scoop that is of the same vintage as the N's. He wanted $50 for it. My scoop has the features described in previous followups, a trip bucket, wide scoop, reversable, and it works GREAT. Personally I would rather pay less and get an original implement than pay more and get a new shiney one. My scoop is reversable and has a handle for the trip bucket on each side. I just used it this weekend to clear clump grass out of an area where I wanted to put my garden.

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JerryU

03-13-2000 06:48:08




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 Re: 3-point Scoop...what features? in reply to Steve Warfle, 03-13-2000 05:32:31  
It will take you a while, but once you get the rythem you will move it pretty fast. I have moved a lot of dirt and gravel with a scoop. No magic only a couple of basics:

Get a reversable scoop. You will want to put the opening to the rear, back into the pile while lifting then transport and dump. If you get a scoop with a flat front, you can back up over the pile, drop the scoop and drag the pile forward, spreading it somewhat.

Okay, you will want to use a stabilizer or the scoop will wobble all over the place. These are the bars that go to a bracket on the axles.

A thing to look for is the trip mechanism on the scoop. The latch should be mounted on the scoop so when you pull the rope it also tips the scoop. The weight of the load will tip the scoop, but this helps get it started. There are a few out there where the latch is on the frame.

Finally, I added an "awning pulley" to the middle of the scoop on the top rail. If you try to pull the rope with it just looped over the top, you will get a sore arm mighty fast. Run the rope through an awning pulley or clothesline pulley attached to the top rail with a bolt or u bolt or some manner and the whole thing will pull easier. If you have questions on this, I can shoot a pic and post it or email it.

You'll find the little scoop one of the handiest three point accessories you can by. A "poor man's endloader".

Have fun

JerryU

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dave#1

03-13-2000 15:00:13




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 Re: Re: 3-point Scoop...what features? in reply to JerryU, 03-13-2000 06:48:08  
Like Jerry said, MAKE SURE THE LATCH IS ON THE SCOOP !, I bought a scoop from C.T., the latch "Was" on the frame till I cut the damn thing off and reworked it so the latch is on the scoop ! Works great now ! (-:

later,dave



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Larry 8N75381

03-13-2000 16:46:03




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 Re: Re: Re: 3-point Scoop...what features? in reply to dave#1, 03-13-2000 15:00:13  
Dave, can you post a diagram (or pict) of how you "reworked" the latch? I have one like yours - was! And it IS a PAIN getting it to dump when the load center of gravity is at or behind the pivot pin!!!

Thanks,
Larry



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dave#1

03-14-2000 14:56:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 3-point Scoop...what features? in reply to Larry 8N75381, 03-13-2000 16:46:03  
Next time I have the old camera out I'll take some pics and post them. what ya have to do is just do the reverse of what they did(The company that made your scoop.

Once you change it, You'll be in love with the way it works ! "Been there,done that"

later,dave



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EricG.NH

03-13-2000 06:38:59




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 Re: 3-point Scoop...what features? in reply to Steve Warfle, 03-13-2000 05:32:31  
That's the same approach I took on my lawn. Worked fine. Scoops cost $200-$250. Get the bigger size scoop and make sure it's reversible. Some people recommend the release latch be on the bucket. Check the archives for more details on this. Mine's on the frame and works for me. Eric
P.S. Your N's reverse gear and your neck will get a pretty good workout! :o)



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