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Tom Michaud

10-19-1999 07:38:50




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At an auction I bought a 9N cheep and it runs
and looks great but not sure what gas to put into it or additives. Also same problem with oil
it looks to be a little low ? 10W30 ?




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sammy the RED

10-19-1999 22:16:37




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 Re: Just bought 9N and confused in reply to Tom Michaud, 10-19-1999 07:38:50  
Regular gas. 30wt. summer, 10wt winter.



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TERRY

10-19-1999 07:43:46




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 Re: Just bought 9N and confused in reply to Tom Michaud, 10-19-1999 07:38:50  

ALL I USE IS REGULAR GAS BUT I ALSO PUT IN AN ADDATIVE CALLED INSTEAD O LEAD.YOU CAN PURCHASE IT AT WAL-MART.AS FOR THE OIL,I USE 10-40.GOOD LUCK..HAPPY "N"ING



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TimK

10-19-1999 09:42:43




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 Re: Re: Just bought 9N and confused in reply to TERRY, 10-19-1999 07:43:46  
I use 10w-30 and it seems to me that except for those who live in warmer climes and use straight weight, many on this Board use 10w-30. The issue is cold weather starts, especially with 6V electrics. Myself, I also add a bottle of STP oil treatment, but my engine is new. Gas additive, you'll hear various claims, but I think that a majority on this Board will say forget it, unless it would keep you up a night worrying about it. I don't use the gas additive, and use Regular unleaded. My 2 cents.

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Glen

10-19-1999 08:23:44




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 Re: Re: Just bought 9N and confused in reply to TERRY, 10-19-1999 07:43:46  
I AGREE WITH THE OIL , BUT IV HERD FROM FORD NEW HOLLOND DEALER THAT HIGH TEST GAS IS THE BEST FOR THESE OLD TRACTORS. I ALSO USE ONLY HIGH TEST.



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Jim WI

10-19-1999 10:30:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Just bought 9N and confused in reply to Glen, 10-19-1999 08:23:44  
If you can get your dealer to explain why he recommends "high test" gasoline for these tractors, I'd appreciate hearing his explanation.

These tractors are low-compression engines designed to run on low-octane gasoline. Unless there is some other reason for using the premium gasoline, I think you're just wasting money.

I am willing to be convinced.

For oil, I usually use 30 in the summer and 10W-30 in the winter so I don't have much argument with the recommendations given so far.

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TimK

10-19-1999 14:33:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Just bought 9N and confused in reply to Jim WI, 10-19-1999 10:30:41  
Just as a post-script, I have heard from some antique car owners that they avoid premium gas because it contains more alcohol (methanal?) than regular, which, they claim, tends to eat up the rubber and neoprene parts associated wth the fuel system faster than regular. I imagine that the oil companies would disagree with that.



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Nolan

10-20-1999 06:31:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Just bought 9N and confused in reply to TimK, 10-19-1999 14:33:15  
No, the oil companies engineers would agree with that recommendation. For a couple of other reasons as well. Higher deposition rate,lower power, and decreased fuel economy for a few.

Believe it or not, an engine like the N's will produce less power and burn more fuel on high octane gas then they will on low octane gas. Has to do with the rate of burn.

High octane fuel is a slower burning, less volatile fuel. Think of it as being closer to diesel fuel or kerosene. It's designed to work in very high compression engines and not ignite prematurely. So in a low rpm low compression engine the high octane fuel burns too slowly. It ends up burning in the exhaust manifold, and not in the combustion chamber. So its energy goes out the tail pipe, and doesn't push the piston hard. That's a power loss, and you the operator have to compensate by opening the throttle more and burning more fuel.

Low octane fuel is more volatile and burns faster. That's why it pings so badly in high compression engines. Now put it in a low compression low rpm engine and it burns completely in the combustion chamber, and pushes the piston very hard. Harder then the high octane fuel can push in the same low compression low rpm engine. So you end up getting more power and better economy out of the low octane fuel.

Hence the recommendation from fuel engineers to us the lowest octane fuel possible to do the job. Not the highest, that recommendation comes from the advertising and marketing weenies.

And, since the high test isn't burning well in the combustion chamber, it's leaving deposits in it. Deposits that don't happen with low octane fuel that burns completely (or more completely) in the combustion chamber.

Strange sounding, but quite true.

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