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2N PTO shaft removal

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Steve Duckson

10-04-1999 15:38:39




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When pulling out the PTO shaft it pulled out about 1 1/2 inches and stopped. Then would not go back in yet it was still engaged in the splines. ( I know because engaging PTO lever would stop the shaft ) With a pry bar I was able to get the shaft out and the internal splines look fine. A new shaft is ordered but should I expect trouble on the last 1 1/2 inches? It feels like when an axle shaft is pulled and a spider gear falls down and prevents the axle from going all the way back in. Looking at the picture it seems to just slide back in. Should I just give it some "friendly" help back in?

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Nolan @erols.com

10-05-1999 05:38:09




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 Re: 2N PTO shaft removal in reply to Steve Duckson, 10-04-1999 15:38:39  
People are deathly afraid of removing the lift quadrant. I don't know why. It's heavy, but not that heavy. With it off, you can see everything about the pump and the pto shaft, and delight your eyes and imagination. Pull those two little side covers, and you've got nearly unlimited access (plus it's easier to put the cover back on).

The pto shaft should just slip back in. It also should have just slipped out. It didn't, because something is wrong. With the quadrant cover removed you can see all kinds of things, and find the problem with much greater ease.

About your noting the spider gear like nature, mine did that before with the damaged pump. The bronze or brass dohicky that the pump yokes were moved by would slip down, blocking the shaft. Reaching down I could hold it up and slip the shaft right on through. Brought to you by the miracles of open access via the removed lift cover.

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llamas

10-05-1999 04:06:01




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 Re: 2N PTO shaft removal in reply to Steve Duckson, 10-04-1999 15:38:39  
Jeez, what is it about PTO shafts that seems to bring out the animal in us?

We got one guy wanting to know if he could yank out a reluctant shaft with his 4WD pickup, and now you're talking about using "friendly help" to get a reluctant one back in.

Do Not Wallop On The PTO Shaft. You Will Regret It. A rubber mallet, maybe. But no more.

For why? Because, as Zane says, it drives the pump, through two splined steel eccentric collars. Your example of the spider gear dropping off the halfshaft is very suitable. When you pulled the shaft, these collars were a little reluctant to slide over the splines on the shaft. If that was all, you'd be fine. But the collars drive sliders made of brass, and all is mounted in a pump made of cast aluminum. You go to walloping on this with the old 14# persuader, and it will cost you about $500 for the first good whack and more for each blow thereafter.

As Zane suggests, drain the fluid and remove the inspection covers, and "see" the shaft back through the various places it has to mesh. The pump eccentrics may be worn or damaged, as may be the PTO coupler, but if the old one came out you should be able to get the new one in. But resist the urge to reach for the KEDS (Kinetic Energy Delivery System). It will do no good and may do great harm.

llater,

llamas

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PMHaas

10-06-1999 04:07:11




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 Re: Re: 2N PTO shaft removal in reply to llamas, 10-05-1999 04:06:01  
Now this is some advice that should be printed, framed, and hung on the shop wall! Well said!!



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ZANE

10-04-1999 18:30:09




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 Re: 2N PTO shaft removal in reply to Steve Duckson, 10-04-1999 15:38:39  
I would pull the left side inspection plate off and see if the sliding coupler is in the position it should be.It could have been that the spline on the pto shaft was twisted and if it was really stuck in the coupler could have damaged the shifting fork etc.

Usually when this problem is encountered there is more danger of damging the pump than the coupler.The shaft goes throught the pump and is what drives the pump.

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