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1948 8n ford tractor named freddy

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ursula

02-26-2000 08:05:05




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freddy and i live just north of seattle in a place called bothell. as my husband is mechanically severely challenged, the care and tending of freddy has fallen to me. i've read the owner's manual and the shop manual. i need a live tutor, though. is there anybody in this area who would take on a weekend tutoring job? i love to tinker, and i have the tools. freddy is currently running but after having read the books, i'm convinced that i'm not giving him the proper care - where, for example, are the %^$%@ filters i'm supposed to keep clean???? i'm supposed to grease/oil WHAT?? the guys at napa have not been particularly helpful - they'll sell me anything but run out of patience very quickly when i pull out my shop manual and ask them where i'm supposed to put what. any advice? better yet, anybody in my area who'd be willing to take me on as a student?

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Dell (WA)

02-28-2000 16:56:03




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 Re: 1948 8n ford tractor named freddy in reply to ursula, 02-26-2000 08:05:05  
Ursula..... .I live in Spanaway (253-847-4677) leave message, or you can email me at [email protected], my advice and $2.50 will buy a cup of Starbuck's Best. I've been known to find my way to Bothell. I'm not home much as I am trying to re-educate myself after being laid off from Boeing after 19 1/2 yrs, 61 yrs old, too young to retire..... Dell



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Allen

02-28-2000 13:56:36




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 Re: 1948 8n ford tractor named freddy in reply to ursula, 02-26-2000 08:05:05  
As always, Llamas has pointed you in the right direction. In addition to the engine oil change you may want to determine the condition of the hydraulic & transmission/rear end oil. This all is one joined compartment with multiple drains. If in checking the condition at the side dipstick indicates a 'milky' appearance it also will have water in it. (Does the gearshift lever have a rubber boot to keep out water?) The three compartment hold a total of approx 5 gallons hyd oil. Remove all three drainns and good luck.

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llamas

02-26-2000 10:08:03




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 Re: 1948 8n ford tractor named freddy in reply to ursula, 02-26-2000 08:05:05  
Your owners manual contains a schedule of what to grease/oil and when. Most N's suffer a severe lack of lubrication, Freddy will thank you for a regular shot of lube. Get yourself a grease gun and a supply of general-purpose chassis grease (it will be black or dark brown in color, not white) and grease it till it hurts. I don't know that it's possible to overdo it.

For things that call for oiling (linkages and so forth) use the same oil you use in the negine, in a squirt can.

Filters, it don't got but the one, the oil filter, which lives in a can on the left side of the motor. You don't clean this, you toss it out and install a new one at every oil change. NAPA sells the filters, I don't recall their stock number right off hand, but they're about $4.

You have been changing the oil, haven't you? If not, post back for the procedure for The Perfect Oil Change.

There are filters in the fuel system but if Freddy is running good, no need to disturb them.

For more specific issues, post back a question and someone here will fill you in.

llater,

llamas

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ursula

02-26-2000 19:26:30




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 Re: Re: 1948 8n ford tractor named freddy in reply to llamas, 02-26-2000 10:08:03  
hey, thanks, llamas! i've been giving freddy the grease gun treatment regularly. this afternoon i added engine oil - there was a lot of gooey whitish stuff in the pipe where you add the oil - i cleaned as much of it as i could. i also cleaned the cap that you put over the oil pipe thing with gasoline - it looks like some kind of filter. then i took off the plate that covers the transmission and put some oil in there too. - i can't find my tractor book so i don't know the proper names for all those parts. i've never changed the oil but think i should because the oil on the dipstick is really grungy. freddy really needs a bath - i used him to clear our 2-acre homestead of blackberry bushes so there's mud mixed with oil and grease all over him. can i use gasoline to do this? any suggestions of how i could find somebody to tutor me on tractor basics - my hubby is even more clueless than i am! once i understand freddy, i'll tend to sam, a john deere 450 crawler/backhoe - sam's arthritic, he can't lift his front bucket and he's dragging his backhoe. what did i get myself into????? and why?????

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tlak

02-27-2000 09:50:24




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 Re: Re: Re: 1948 8n ford tractor named freddy in reply to ursula, 02-26-2000 19:26:30  
I dont understand, you need all this heavy equipment why? 2 acres and a large riding mower seems sufficiant. More power to you but the up keep on those vehicles would more than pay somebody to bushog twice a year.



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ursula

02-28-2000 20:54:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1948 8n ford tractor named freddy in reply to tlak, 02-27-2000 09:50:24  
the question: why do we need all that heavy equipment to fool around on a 2-acre homestead?

the answer: my hubby is an extremely hard-working, eccentric 50 something who high-tailed it out of russia (where he was an architect) before the iron curtain developed tears. he made some money as a handyman/gardener in st louis, mo, and was recommended to me by someone at work. when asked (sign language, he no english, i no russian) what he thought about my fixer-upper house he used the german word for fecal matter. i married him 15 years ago (cheaper to marry than to pay??). subsequently we bought a couple of burnt-out, gutted houses at sheriff's auctions (for a couple of thousand dollars each, in terrible neighborhoods) and he renovated them from top to bottom. they were rented out on the section 8 program and within a year they were back to being gutted..... we've been in seattle for 8 years now and, because i have a job as a bureaucrat at the university and am a good credit risk, we were able to buy a fire-damaged house in a good neighborhood here. we lived in it during the renovation and are now renting it out. he's building another house on our 2-acre homestead. he dug and poured the foundation by hand for a 6000 ft2 house he designed. he's planning to build another house after he finishes this one but i don't want to see him digging and pouring another foundation by hand - that's why the crawler-dozer (sam with the arthritic front and the dragging backhoe). freddy came into our lives because the 2 acres are totally overgrown with brambles and i could no longer stand hubby staggering around in them, bleeding, and cutting the blackberry brush by hand. while hubby leonid can design and build a house from bottom up (including roof, siding, electric, plumbing, heating, laying hardwood floors), he's totally incompetent as a mechanic - in st louis he attempted to remove a rusted-in bolt on my truck with the help of a sledge hammer and busted the block. that's why the care and feeding of anything on wheels or tracks is in my bailiwick! long answer to short question, huh?

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tlak

02-29-2000 04:40:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1948 8n ford tractor named freddy in reply to ursula, 02-28-2000 20:54:09  
The point I was trying to make is a backhoe is a very bad investment for the individual. The high cost of repair parts, hoses and technical help will break your budget. I have built my house from the septic to the shingles. A professional backhoe service can come out and do the work in a day at $30-$40 hr including septic and some holes for trees. A backhoe service gave me an estimate of $1200(15yrs ago)to install my septic system (no special rules)parts included. I decided to do it myself. I got a good deal on a backhoe($100 until the contractor needed it back for his next job-he even fixed it once when it broke down),a friend had a dump truck. So I worked all summer(guy came and got the backhoe too soon-rock in the septic tank hole)and $1000 later I had the guy with the $1200 bid come and close and smooth my property for a $100. Most places have rental stores that rent backhoes,trenchers,etc.. for a $100+ aday. Any small tractor 20-35hp is a good investment as long as you didnt get goudged to start with. Good maint. and a little paint and you will get your money back to even a profit on a small tractor as opposed to a garden tractor which more loses money like a car.

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llamas

02-29-2000 09:55:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1948 8n ford tractor named freddy in reply to tlak, 02-29-2000 04:40:03  
I absolutely agree. Unless you're in business with a backhoe, it's always cheaper to hire it done than to keep one yourself. After all, you don't keep a 727 in your barn for the occasional time you want to fly somewhere.

In addition, I believe that it's easier for a beginner to get themselves into trouble with a backhoe than just about anything else. Especially a "compromise" backhoe like the kinds of things you see on the backs of tractors. Anything that digs holes in the ground it runs on is making accidents for itself.

llater,

llamas

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llamas

02-27-2000 09:01:44




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 Re: Re: Re: 1948 8n ford tractor named freddy in reply to ursula, 02-26-2000 19:26:30  
You're welcome.

If you are seeing milky white deposits in the oil filler neck, that's water (condensation or rainwater) that's got into the oil and is now emulsified with it.

Obviously, that's not good, and an oil change is called for. The procedure for the "Perfect Oil Change" is cut-and-pasted below. This was a magazine article, from which I have edited extraneous stuff.

Freddy is also telling you, by the water in the oil, that he's not running hot enough. This is only reasonable - his cooling system was designed to keep motor temperature down to about 180�F even when running under full load on 100� days. For the climate of Puget Sound (as I recall it) he has way too much cooling system, and he's running too cold. This may be compounded by some previous wise-ass having removed his thermostat.

After he's run for at least 30 minutes, shut him off and immediately put your hand on the top and bottom radiator hoses. The top hose should be too hot to touch - 140-160�F. The bottom hose should be comfortably warm - 80-90�F. If it is not so, he's not getting hot enough to evaporate condensation in the engine oil and drive it out through the breather as water vapor. You'll need to check for a thermostat (post back for instructions). In the meantime, you'll help him a lot by screening the radiator, to reduce airflow and therefore cooling. The farmer's solution for this is an old feed sack, because it's partly permeable and reduces airflow without blocking it entirely. The woven fabric sold as "garden shade cloth" makes a perfect radiator screen for an N in temperate climates - it's close enough to screen the airflow but open enough that it won't clog easily with dust.

HTH,

llater,

llamas

Performing
The Perfect Oil Change
on your Ford 9N/2N/8N tractor

The engine of your tractor may be powered by gasoline, but it runs on oil. The engine oil is circulated by a pump, which feeds it to all the bearings and things inside the engine that need it. The oil ends up splashing and splattering all over the inside of the engine, and in that process, it washes out contaminants, wear particles and general crud. Each time the oil passes through the engine, it also passes through a filter, which removes any particulate matter and sends the oil on its way refreshed and renewed.

Oil wears out eventually � it breaks down with the heat of the engine, and it accumulates water and particulates too small for the filter to capture. For this reason, the oil needs to be changed regularly. The original Ford recommendation was to change the oil and filter every 200 hours of running, and that�s a good place to start. If you use your tractor in a very dusty environment, or your use tends to be lots of short excursions (where the motor doesn�t have a chance to get really warmed through), you should consider a more frequent oil change schedule � every 100 hours of running, or even more frequently.

Each time you change the oil, you remove a certain amount of crud, debris and particulate matter. It�s like flushing out the engine. For this reason, a well-done oil change is the single most beneficial thing you can do for the life and health of the motor.

Many people ask �what oil should I use�? This engine was designed in the 1930s, before modern, multigrade oils were available. The original Ford recommendation was for the use of straight, single-weight oils, the weight of the oil depending on the outside temperature. Nowadays, there are more options in engine oil. Opinions vary on the best choices, but a common approach is to use multigrade 10W30 oil when the temperature is expected to fall below freezing, and straight 30 weight oil when temperatures are not expected to be below freezing. For most climates in the US, this means two oil changes a year � once in the spring, once in the fall � and that usually fits in quite nicely with the recommended oil change intervals.

Buy only high-quality, brand-name engine oil. It costs so little anyway that a few cents saved by buying some unknown brand is false economy. Remember also that changing the oil is a futile exercise if you do not also change the filter.

The Perfect Oil Change

is the easiest thing in the world to do. The problem is that oil changes are often seen as a chore, and the necessary time and attention are often skimped in the rush to get to something that seems more important. You may well be the first owner of the tractor to do this right.

The first step is to get the motor good and hot. Run it for at least a half-hour, until the cylinder head is too hot to touch and the oil filter can is uncomfortably warm. This ensures that the oil is hot, which makes it flow easier, and it also makes sure that any crud in the oil is fully entrained and will come out with it.

Park it, shut it off, and immediately remove the drain plug on the underside of the engine. Have a drain pan that will hold 6 quarts of oil under the drain. You�ll get a hot, oily hand, because the drain hole is big and most of the oil will come out in one big rush.

Once that is draining, turn to the oil filter can, on the left side of the engine. Remove the cap by undoing the big hexagon bolt on the top. Don�t remove the filter yet. Next, locate the drain plug for the filter can � it�s on the bottom of the can, towards the front. It may have a hexagon head, or it may have a square head � either way, it�s usually all boogered up from people using pliers to remove it. Remove it, with a drain pan under the hole � this will allow the oil in the filter can to drain out.

Now � go away and leave it alone. Find something else to do, but leave it to drain for at least an hour, and longer if it suits you. It will drip oil for at least that long. Stop by during this time and pull the oil filter out of the can � there�s a cute little folding wire handle on the top that you use to lift it out.

The longer you let it drain, the more completely it will remove all the old oil, and all the nasty stuff that�s in it. There are things you can be doing in the meantime.

The first involves the big drain plug you unscrewed from the bottom of the engine. It should have a cylindrical screen of fine wire mesh attached to it. Often, this is missing. If it is, you need a new drain plug. This screen protects the suction intake of the oil pump from nasty particles which will eat the pump in short order. Your tractor has been around for 50 years at least, and I guarantee you that there are bad things lurking in the pan of the engine � sand, even gravel, and other similar nasties. The screen is what keeps those things from eventually being sucked into the oil pump and causing you a large bill. So, if the screen is missing, get a new drain plug.

If the screen is there, clean it off to a surgical standard. The best way to do this is with a volatile cleaner (like carburetor cleaner) and compressed air. Remember that the crud will be on the outside of the screen, so blow it off from the inside.

Next, turn to the oil filter drain plug. These are usually in rough shape, usually because some user couldn�t find the right wrench to remove it and resorted to the pliers. If the plug is so battered that you can�t tighten or loosen it with a wrench, get a new one. It�s a 1/8� National Pipe Taper (Fuel) male plug, it will cost you less than 50 cents, and any plumbing or auto supply store will stock these. Steel, or brass, doesn�t matter. While you�re there, invest in a tube of pipe sealant, often called �dope�, which is marked suitable for oil and fuel systems. I prefer Loctite PST brand, but there are many good brands.

Next, find the oil filter cap. Remove the rubber gasket from the inside of the rim of the cap. There�s a new gasket packed with the new oil filter. Clean off the inside of the cap and the cylindrical stem � again, carburetor cleaner and compressed air will do a fine job. Oil the new gasket with a drop of clean engine oil, and press it into the groove on the inside of the cap.

Next, remove the oil filler cap from the fill tube next to the oil filter can. The inside of the cap is filled with a wire mesh material, and this needs to be clean. Some older cap styles are made to be taken apart, so you can remove the wire mesh and wash it clean. More modern styles do not allow this, but either way, wash out the mesh with a solvent like kerosene or carburetor cleaner, then blow it dry.

Once you are happy that all the oil has drained from the motor, replace the drain plug. A thin layer of gasket compound on the plug gasket will help it to seal tight and prevent drips. Next, wipe out the inside of the filter can and remove all traces of oil. Install the drain plug, with a thin layer of pipe sealant on the threads. Drop the new filter into the can (handle upwards!), then fill the can with clean engine oil � this will �prime� the oil system and reduce the time that the engine runs with low oil pressure when you restart it. Finally replace the oil filter cap � don�t overtighten it. About a half-a-turn on the nut after the point that the cap gasket seats on the can rim is just fine.

All that�s left now is to pour 6 US quarts of engine oil into the filler neck, replace the filler cap, and start the motor. Check the oil pressure gauge as soon as it starts � you will see zero oil pressure for a few seconds (because all of the oil passages are empty), but the gauge should rise to normal pressure within four or five seconds.

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