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Daniel

08-01-1999 10:34:06




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We own a 49 8N, that is having some hydraulic problems. first and most important is the noise the pump makes when the lift gets to the raised position. second is the rapid leak down. however it seems to have plenty of power, a 5' bushhog is no problem. We recently drained and replaced fluid with 134 this made a little improvement however no fix. Anyone else ever had this problem? Thanks Dan(PA).

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David (La)

08-01-1999 12:56:21




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 Re: 8N hydraulic lift problem in reply to Daniel, 08-01-1999 10:34:06  
I had a slow leak down, about 45 minutes with a 5' box blade. I did what Jerry said, drained a little oil so as to get the level closer to the valves so I could watch the oil for disturbance or leaking with the blade up and idleing or engine off. Could not detect any leak from valves, but did have a steady stream coming from the end of the cylinder.

I tore it down and found an original 3 steel ring piston and a cylinder with some scores (small ones) in the area of up position. Replaced the piston with the new o-ring piston (had the o-ring and leather backup washer from the gasket kit). Lifted the blade to the top and left it at night, it leaked down about 5" or 6" in an hour or so but the next morning it was still 6" off the ground. I feel had I honed the scores out of the cylinder it would have fixed it all the way. Piston was like $21 at Ford.

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Jerry (Al)

08-01-1999 10:44:55




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 Re: 8N hydraulic lift problem in reply to Daniel, 08-01-1999 10:34:06  
I have exactly the same situation to the letter. I suspect the piston is getting air into the system causing the noise and I suspect that the relief valve is bad. I just haven't been able due to family sickness to deal with it.

I posted on this board and got confirmation that this was a good way to start. I plan to remove the side plate and drain off a little fluid and then look for leaks or fluid squirting from internal areas before I proceed further.

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Jerry (Al)

08-01-1999 10:59:42




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 Re: Re: 8N hydraulic lift problem in reply to Jerry (Al), 08-01-1999 10:44:55  
Oh yea, I know it's a little eery but I have the same year 8N also.

I've noticed that the heavier the implement, the louder the noise. Also when I have a heavy implement on like a heavy disc, and need to back up, it has to be quick or it will leak down before I can change gears and re-engage clutch. Mine also has to be pretty well full throttle with a heavy implement in order to lift properly which I also think indicates the piston assembly.

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dennis

08-01-1999 15:50:05




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N hydraulic lift problem in reply to Jerry (Al), 08-01-1999 10:59:42  
I have recently purchased a 9N (not sure of year yet). It held a scrapper when I bought it, now it won't lift. Can upgraded pumps be bought for these tractors? Do you suggest another rebuild (done right before i bought it). I'm kinda new to this. New pumps seem expensive. Thanks



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llamas

08-02-1999 03:31:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N hydraulic lift problem in reply to dennis, 08-01-1999 15:50:05  
No upgrade to the pump is required - it is more than adequate if it's in relatively good shape.

5 years or more ago, pump repair/reconditioning parts were rather hard to come by, but that has improved very substantially and complete pump rebuild kits are now widely available at reasonable cost. Start by visiting the commercial areas of this site.

That being said, be aware that the least likely source of your problems is the pump itself. The usual failure areas are leaking ram piston/cylinder, leaking check/relief valve, leaking exhaust valve and leaking gaskets. You should also check the control linkage for wear, damage and adjustment before doing anything else. Many a "bad pump" has been fixed by a 5-minute adjustment.

llater,

llamas

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Gary

08-02-1999 13:55:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N hydraulic lift problem in reply to llamas, 08-02-1999 03:31:23  
I have a similar problem with a 9N with loader .
It rises fine but will not release and stays up.
I pulled top plate and center bolts before I realized the control could be adjusted. Heard the nut hit the inside of oil pan. Now what?



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well.........Dell (WA)

08-02-1999 18:08:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N hydraulic lift problem in reply to Gary, 08-02-1999 13:55:53  
ya' probably needed to change all that 5 gallons of hydraulic oil anyways (grin). Not much help, just be thankful it wasn't your septic tank (double grin)..... ..Dell



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Jerry (Al)

08-01-1999 19:26:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N hydraulic lift problem in reply to dennis, 08-01-1999 15:50:05  
New pumps are expensive and I wouldn't consider that route unless it was absolutely necessary. Keep in mind that often people will tell you things that aren't necessarily true while making a sale. I would check the system out thoroughly first for myself and then make an educated decision. I'm sure pumps are available as a last resort.

While I have an 8N, I'm sure it is basically the same in theory if not in actuality. There are a lot of well versed people who monitor this board who can give good advice should you encounter difficulty.

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