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1st gear replace, any tips on the split?

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David (La)

07-29-1999 12:53:01




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I plan to split tomorrow morning. The FO4 says split both sides to remove tranny, but do I really need to remove tranny? Could I just split in front of the tranny to get to everything, or does the rear shaft need to come off the rearend also to allow for slack to remove things?

My 8N has been found to be really worn, so I expect to replace some more things than just the chipped 1st gear, like bearings and maybe counter shaft.

Thanks for the tips.

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E.Allison

07-30-1999 07:09:24




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 Re: 1st gear replace, any tips on the split? in reply to David (La), 07-29-1999 12:53:01  
You need to split both sides to get the shafts out. Once you do one side the other is no big deal. Be sure to check the cluster gear carefully for damage. Also, you will need some sort of press. You need to adjust shim thickness on the bearing retainers when you reassemble for proper preload. Follow the FO-4 for this procedure. Have fun. I replaced all my bearings while I was at it since they had rust pits due to water in the oil. Regards, E. Allison (PA)

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David (La)

07-30-1999 14:42:59




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 Re: Re: 1st gear replace, any tips on the split? in reply to E.Allison, 07-30-1999 07:09:24  
Having a ball here!

My bearings had chunks knocked out of, like 2 or 3 rollers per bearing. No wonder the transmission knocked while at idle. I am replacing all bearings also plus clutch throw out bearing just because. I don't have a press, been thinking about taking all the shafts and covers and let Ford press them for me, otherwise I will try the freezer oven thing. Thanks for the info.



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Jerry (Al)

07-29-1999 20:46:19




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 Re: 1st gear replace, any tips on the split? in reply to David (La), 07-29-1999 12:53:01  
What would really be neat when you guys tackle some of these tough jobs is to have access to a digital camera so you can post some photos for posterity for some of us poor slobs who may have to do this ourselves some day.

Good luck and hope you don't lighten your wallet very much.



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David (La)

07-30-1999 14:38:42




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 Re: Re: 1st gear replace, any tips on the split? in reply to Jerry (Al), 07-29-1999 20:46:19  
Funny you should mention that, I have been looking at digital cameras but hadn't found one that got good ratings compared to cheaper 35mm slr. I did take some pictures this morning with parts everywhere under my shed. I split last night with the help of the 16 yr old, went pretty well considering what we had to work with. I only have one floor jack, so I have to plan the process carefully or check mate, I can't get the jack out to lift the other end. Turns out I didn't roll the rear end far enough back to completely clear the tranny when we dropped it, so that was a little pucker time, especially having never done it before. The book has been right on (FO4) in its instructions.

Oh, yeah there was one point where (no overhead hoist) I needed the whole family out there helping. The wife placed the block of wood under the battery box behind the engine while I and the biggest boy lifted the steering wheel. The 13 yr old shined the flash light for the spots where the overhead light was not right.

I pulled everything out this morning, and found a ruined 1st gear (knew that, had one), counter shaft (half expected that, didn't have one, ordered one) and a bunch of bearings in really bad shape. Pulled all bearings and cups, had to use the cutting torch on bearing on main drive shaft from engine. Didn't hurt the shaft, (that was $70 from the junk yard I saved). My bearings, counter shaft, and gaskets will be ready monday. So, I have the weekend off to play!

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Jerry (Al)

07-30-1999 16:48:07




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 Re: Re: Re: 1st gear replace, any tips on the split? in reply to David (La), 07-30-1999 14:38:42  
Sounds like you are really getting into it and making good headway.I have always enjoyed working with my sons.

I just bought a Kodak 210 and it does a good job and the software is simple. It isn't overly expensive. A brother just bought a sony. We are some distance apart and enjoy e-mailing pictures of our gardens and every interesting tractor or piece of equipment we run across.

He's looking for a super A farmall to garden with and he must have forwarded 10 different pictures in the last two weeks for me to see.

Good luck and don't drop anything on your toe.

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ZANE

07-29-1999 14:37:17




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 Re: 1st gear replace, any tips on the split? in reply to David (La), 07-29-1999 12:53:01  
You will have to split the tractor at the front and the back of the trans.The shift mechanisms must be completely removed.The top shaft input and output bearing housings must be removed.The bottom bearing housings must be removed if the botttom shaft is to be removed to replace one or more of the gears on the cluster.To get the lower cluster out of the trans housing you will have to get it at just the right spot to come out.Sorta like a puzzle but it will come out after the bearing housings on the ends of the cluster have been removed.Some of the gears can be driven off the lower shaft with a brass drift.You may need a gear puller to remove some of the gears.
You should take some polaroid snapshots as you come down if you don't have a good manual so that you can be sure and get all the gears back in the order and position that they have come off.

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