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LSB

07-12-1999 06:38:56




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I have a friend that has an early 8N with a distributor problem. This tractor still has the 6V system installed. He was doing some bush hogging when it started to miss badly and then finally died. Bottom line, there is 6 volts available to the primary side of the coil, but there is no spark. The points seem to be in fairly good shape. What is the best guess? Coil or condenser?




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David (MN)

07-12-1999 06:51:55




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 Re: 8N Distributor in reply to LSB, 07-12-1999 06:38:56  
disconnect coil wire at distributer (leave on coil side) crank over and see if ya got sparks (hold wire (with insulated pliers) within 1/4 inch of gounded surface) if no spark coil is prob bad. if ya got sparks continue down the circuit. David



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LSB

07-12-1999 07:20:48




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 Re: Re: 8N Distributor in reply to David (MN), 07-12-1999 06:51:55  
This distributor has the coil directly attached to it. At first I thought it was a magneto, but the primary wire is attached to it on the top.



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llamas

07-12-1999 09:04:20




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N Distributor in reply to LSB, 07-12-1999 07:20:48  
Here's the checks.

Hook your voltmeter to the primary terminal on top of the coil (and ground, naturally). Remove all the coil wires so the motor won't start.

With the key "on", crank the motor with the push button. You should see the voltage at the coil "cycle" between 6.2 volts (battery voltage) and about 3.5 volts. This system has (should have) an ignition resistor to reduce the coil voltage to about 3.5 volts. The "cycling" is caused by the points opening and closing.

If the voltages "cycle" as they should, the coil, condenser and points are likely OK, and your problem may lie in the distributor cap, high-tension contacts or plug wires. You may also have an "open" in the coil secondary windings.

If the voltage stays at 6.2 volts all the time, you may have an "open" in the primary windings of the coil, or the points may be stuck "open" or burned. You may also have an "open" in the secondary windings of the coil, or the ignition resistor may be absent or shorted.

If the voltage stays at 3.5 volts all the time, the points are stuck shut, the condenser has shorted, or the primary circuit is somehow shorted to ground in the distributor.

If, in tracing the circuit, you find that it has no ignition resistor (it's supposed to be mounted on the front of the dash, on the left - looks like a little spring with and aluminum cover and two screw terminals) then most likely the coil has been fried by the overvoltage. This was a common "temporary" fix for a tractor that's unwilling to start - it works so good it never gets undone, until the coil burns out.

Good luck with it.

llater,

llamas

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EricG.NH

07-12-1999 09:00:53




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N Distributor in reply to LSB, 07-12-1999 07:20:48  
Sounds like you have a front mount distributor. I think's a fair guess that either the coil or condensor is failing. The condensor is cheap ~$2, so I would try that first. The coil is a bit more $25-35. Both are known to fail, and many times the failure is heat related, like after a 1/2 hour of heavy work. Then after it cools it works again. You didn't say if this is "hard" problem. Does it ever have spark, like when it cools?
A couple things to check are the coil voltage at the top with the points closed and with them open. "Bump" the starter to open and close. You should measure ~6.4V open and ~3.0V closed. Measure with respect to the grounded terminal on the battery, which is normally the positive side. I'd pull the distributor out, which is two bolts, take a good look at the points, and change the condensor. Then inspect the cap, rotor and internals. After this then I'd go for the coil. This assumes the voltages are as I stated above. If they aren't then the ignition switch, ballast resistor, and/or wiring may have a problem as well. Hope this helps,
Eric

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