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Gary

02-14-2000 06:15:06




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The alternator does not work on my 8N. It has been converted to 12v by a previous owner. Whoever did the conversion left the small pulley on the alternator. I plan on replacing the alternator but I want to get one with a large pully. Is this possible? Can I just buy a pulley? If so where? Thanks.




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Butch (IL)

02-14-2000 18:58:03




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 Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to Gary, 02-14-2000 06:15:06  
Gary, I used my original pulley from the generator that I was replacing. The old generator used a key way. The alternator just used compression washers to retain it on the shaft. The pulley from the old generator fit just find on the delco alternator. Butch (IL).



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JHEnt

02-14-2000 18:46:44




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 Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to Gary, 02-14-2000 06:15:06  
This may not help you with your pully but, when I converted our '48 8N to 12 volt I used the pully off our 800 series generator which I changed first. This pulley sits away from the altinator fan and fits the belt much better.

On your altinator, are you sure its a self exciting type? Some Delcos that have an internal regulator require a 12 volt feed into one of the terminals that the little plastic cover fits on. You feed it off your ignition switch so when the engine is on the altinator is exited. The only other thing I can tell you is if it is a self exciting type there is a small tab in one of the vent holes on the back of the case. If the altinator has not been run in some time you sometimes have to take a small screwdriver and touch this tab and the case(grounding the tab) to make it start to charge again. This ussually doesn't happen much. Its been so long since I've done it to one of these altinators I couldn't even tell you which vent hole its in. If I remember correctly its right near where the regulator mounts on the inside. The tab is just a little below the level of the case so don't go sticking a screwdriver deep inside while its spinning.

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Mason W.V.

02-14-2000 15:24:04




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 Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to Gary, 02-14-2000 06:15:06  
Later 70s thru Late80s Massey Furgusons /W delco alternators had large diameter pullys Cost around 10.00 hope this helps C-YA



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Brian in S. IL

02-14-2000 10:32:19




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 Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to Gary, 02-14-2000 06:15:06  
Gary,

I'm using the pulley that came with my alternator and the larger belt with no problems. It works fine. I just finished replacing the idiot light that I bought for my conversion with the #194 light recommended by others on the list. The light I bought originally worked, but you had to rev the engine more than I wanted to excite the alternator. With the #194 bulb, it now excites just off of dead idle. Also finished replacing all the 6v bulbs with 12V. Now I'm ready to go!

brian

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dave#1

02-14-2000 15:06:02




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 Re: Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to Brian in S. IL, 02-14-2000 10:32:19  
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I'm also useing the pully that came on the alternator, I shimed the pully out from the fan so the belt would'nt scrub. It seems to work just fine.

later,dave



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llamas

02-14-2000 17:24:53




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to dave#1, 02-14-2000 15:06:02  
Neat extender bracket. Why don't you make a dimensioned sketch and post it here for the steady stream of people who ask for plans for one?

llater,

llamas



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hany

08-30-2001 18:03:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to llamas, 02-14-2000 17:24:53  
would you please give the serial number to the game "f1 championship 2000"..
or at least tell how to find it
and i'll be so grateful



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dave#1

02-14-2000 18:34:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to llamas, 02-14-2000 17:24:53  
That's not a bad idea, I might take it a step farther and remove it, then take some pics of it, then maybe have our good freind Mr. Neff do his magic to it (Put in measurements and such).

What you can't see in that pic,on the back side there's a small peice of band iron welded on the bracket going to one of the timeing cover bolts to keep the bracket stationary. I thought I had a pic, but for the life of me I can't seem to find it ! (-:

later,me

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Brian in S. IL

02-14-2000 06:33:24




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 Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to Gary, 02-14-2000 06:15:06  
Gary, I'm not sure why you would want to do that. The Alternator needs the smaller pulley to spin fast enough to maintain a charge at all engine RPM's. If you went to a larger pulley, this would slow down the speed of the alternator, and thus you may not get the alternator to charge at all.

As far as the alternator not charging now, try revving the engine. The alternator may need the high rpm's to self-excite and start charging.

Good luck, Brian

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Gary

02-14-2000 07:17:46




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 Re: Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to Brian in S. IL, 02-14-2000 06:33:24  
Brian, I am not talking about larger in diameter. I am talking about larger in width. The pully on the engine is wider than the one on the alternator causing a mismatch. It works but is just not right. I am not sure if the alternator is good or not. I have jet to take it off and have it tested. I do know that it will not charge at any rpm.



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JerryU

02-14-2000 08:01:15




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 Re: Re: Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to Gary, 02-14-2000 07:17:46  
Llamas did a very good post on this a while back and basically said that the belt would ride high and won't hurt anything.

I did put a larger pulley on a Delco. I went to Tractor Supply and picked up a sheetmetal pulley (don't recall what size) and just drilled out the center to fit. Any industrial belt/bearing shop can supply one. Check yellow pages under bearings. These guys are a great resource, especially for bushings and odd bearings.

JerryU

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llamas

02-14-2000 09:10:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to JerryU, 02-14-2000 08:01:15  
His memory is better than mine.

You're basically between a rock and a hard place here. The stock pulley (for a 1/2" belt) isn't really small enough to turn the alternator fast enough to excite it at low idle speeds.

If you replace the stock pulley with one of the same effective diameter but for a 5/8 belt, this won't change. If you get a pulley for the 5/8 belt but with a smaller diameter, you will be below the minimum radius for a 5/8 belt, per RMA specs. The belt will run hotter that it should and will fail quickly. You can help this by using a "cogged" belt but it's still less-than-ideal.

This is one reason why I prefer to use an externally-excited alternator for these conversions.

llater,

llamas

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Randall(AL)

02-14-2000 08:13:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to JerryU, 02-14-2000 08:01:15  
Check out your local small motor repair shop. If I recall correctly most of the alts are metric but a standard size will work if you will tighten the nut with a air wrench. Also we have a local shop that does electrical motor overhauls and this guy got me a pulley right width and metric hole for about 7 bucks. That's the way to go. Try exciting the alternator with a test light before you pull it off.

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Gary

02-14-2000 08:27:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to Randall(AL), 02-14-2000 08:13:15  
What do you mean excite it with a test light? how is this done? My 8N sat for 3-4 years before I got it. I don't know if the alternator used to work or not. I am going to take a meter with me this weekend and check it out. I am hoping that all that is wrong with it is a bad alternator. I will see.



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Randall(AL)

02-14-2000 13:26:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8N alternator Pully in reply to Gary, 02-14-2000 08:27:37  
When I bought my self-exciting(1-wire) alternator the guy at the tractor shop told me it was uncommon but that an alternator that sat for some time might need exciting to get it charging. It is more common in tractors because they tend to sit for some time. The procedure goes something like this: you attach your test lite alligator clip to the stud on your alt then insert the point into one of the spad holes on the back of the alt while tractor is running. Let me make a call and I'll get back with you on which slot that is. My memory tends to fail me at times!!!

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