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49 8N Starts Finicky

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Jerry (Al)

07-07-1999 13:30:14




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I've been an 8N owner about two months and have greatly appreciated the knowledge on this board and read every single post to the board.

I'm gradually bit by bit going through the tractor first to have a good dependable tractor and later possibly restore it.

I just completed a brake job and feel good about it.

On to the next problem. The tractor acts a bit finicky about cranking after it gets hot. From this board I understand I should suspect the coil.

I bought a new set of plugs for the tractor just to see if it would help,gapped to 28 and stuck them in. Cranked and ran OK but hot cranking worse. Looked back at the plugs I took out (really didn't look that bad) and the front and last two plugs were gapped at 40 and the second plug 32. I also found a 1 inch extension on the front plug (spark jumper?). The tractor cranked well when cold, ran, and didn't smoke when I got it.

Does anybody have any idea what all this is trying to tell me?

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Kevin (OH)

07-07-1999 19:22:55




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 Re: 49 8N Starts Finicky in reply to Jerry (Al), 07-07-1999 13:30:14  
Jerry,

Must be a '49 trait as mine used to be tough on the hot restart. I finally decided to replace the plugs, coil, points, condensor. When I had the distributor out, I found that it was way off time. It was about 3/8" to the advanced side. I set it back, although in hind sight, I was a little gun shy and it's probably still a touch to the advanced side.

Anyhow, she starts hot so much better. Also, I think, if you are still 6Volt like I am, the battery has a lot to play in the hot start issue. Check your voltage to the coil to be sure that you should be about 3 - 3.5 with points open or closed.. never remember which. Anyways, I run about 2.75 which may also come into play.

In any event, if your girl is like mine, she's particular on the throttle position for the start. Mine likes about 3/4 when hot.

Good luck.. let us know how it goes.

Kevin
'49 8N Serial #217440

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Fred(Ia)

07-07-1999 14:36:14




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 Re: 49 8N Starts Finicky in reply to Jerry (Al), 07-07-1999 13:30:14  
Jerry, If while your tractor is running,do you experience any problems? Such as sputtering/backfiring. If it is running good up until you shut it off and then try to restart, I'd probably not suspect the coil yet. What condition are the points and condenser in. They are usually at the root of my starting problems. Hope this is some help.....Fred



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Jerry (Al)

07-07-1999 15:31:27




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 Re: Re: 49 8N Starts Finicky in reply to Fred(Ia), 07-07-1999 14:36:14  
The tractor sounds OK but when you go behind it you can hear a slight sputtering sound. Standing off to the side, you can't hear a sputter or miss. It doesn't act like it's down on power any. I was playing with the brakes and it seemed OK sitting in the seat.

I haven't looked at the condenser or points. I plan on looking at that first thing in the morning.

Tractor cranks right up but if I run it 10-15 minutes or more it will not start back unless you let it sit about 30 minutes.

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David (La.)

07-07-1999 14:09:50




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 Re: 49 8N Starts Finicky in reply to Jerry (Al), 07-07-1999 13:30:14  
I just tried something today on my 8N! I read this info at www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/tools/xistrign.htm about converting to transistorized Points Ignition, Hmmm, I have points. I went down to the junk yard and found what he was talking about on a 1978 Toyota Corolla. Bolted it up and hooked up two wires after disconnecting my condenser and stock coil ( I'm 12volt already ), cranked up like a sewing machine, runs up great, I am on blocks waiting on UPS with another axle so can't test the running around but it sure purrs on the stand!!! He said that he got his for $7.50, well the price has gone up, my junk yard charged me $24.50, that is $8 for the coil and $16 for the igniter.

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Truck

07-07-1999 14:57:15




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 Re: Re: 49 8N Starts Finicky in reply to David (La.), 07-07-1999 14:09:50  
Boy those ignitors have dropped in price! I can remember when that Toyota was a coupla years old it would send a poor car to the junkyard when they blew. What did you use for a wiring schematic to follow? And did that yard have any cheap coils that fit a 86 Toyota pickup?



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David (La.)

07-07-1999 15:14:33




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 Re: Re: Re: 49 8N Starts Finicky in reply to Truck, 07-07-1999 14:57:15  
I hooked it up like the fellow said at www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/tools/xistrign.htm. You find the ignition ( hot ) wire and the wire that goes to the distributor before you cut them at the junk yard and then do the same on the tractor. I do have a side mount distributor and external coil I am not familiar with the front mount 8N, so don't know if this would work or not. I didn't ask but I suppose I could have left the Toyota coil and used the 8N's and saved $8, but it all comes as a unit so I just kept it.

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