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MikeyB

07-03-1999 20:34:25




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Help! My 8n starter now just grinds and will occasionally spin the engine a revolution or two. It used to only happen when the engine was hot but now it happens all the time. I have replaced the starter, bendix, solenoid and the battery is fully charged with 6+ volts. I have tried jumping across the solenoid with the same results. The starter ring gear is in good shape with no damaged teeth that I can see. Any suggestions? I am suspecting that maybe the ring gear is spinning on the flywheel but don't know how to check for sure. Thanks for any info

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Dell (WA)

07-04-1999 06:09:34




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 Re: 8N Starter in reply to MikeyB, 07-03-1999 20:34:25  
Mikey..... .when did this problem originally start?

If you are just "throwing parts" at a problem hoping one of them "fixes it" then I am going to have "guess" and as I keep reminding my wife, "I flunked mind reading". O.K. now that I have "scolded you", (grin) I'll try some "guesses".

First the eazy "fix". The Bendix drive MUST BE "oil-free". Any oil on the drive slows down the screw extension (which causes the starter gear to mate with the flywheel ring gear) Slowed down extension allows the starter motor to reach operating RPM's and the gears won't mate at high RPM's.

One cough of a sparkplug will cause the bendix drive to unscrew without causing the engine to really get up to starting RPM's is also another symptom of an oily bendix drive screw. They are meant to be "oil-free", believe it.

Now then, If you replaced the "Bendix" and did not drill a new retaining pin hole in the starter shaft about 1/2" closer to the armature winding per the instruction sheet that should have come with the "replacement Bendix", you will cause the bendix to bang and grind on the starter ring gear.

If you don't know or remember, you will have to "inspect" the starter shaft for 2 roll pin retaining holes and be certain that the replacement bendix is pinned to the inner hole.

Understand this, the replacement bendix is different than the original bendix and you can not get an OEM bendix anymore.

I don't think from your problem description that you have a flywheel starter ring gear problem.

My advice is this: Get an "improved" ratcheting starter drive (just a few $$$ more than a replacement Bendix) that mounts in the original roll pin (outer) hole. It does not dis-engage until the engine RPM's get up to about 300 RPM's and by that time your engine should have well started.

Hope this helps..... ...Dell

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Robert

07-03-1999 21:20:31




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 Re: 8N Starter in reply to MikeyB, 07-03-1999 20:34:25  
Take the starter back off. Put the tractor in gear and see if you can use a good size screwdriver to nudge the ring gear around. You should be able to see if it slips or not. If there's a timing cover on the right side, you may (I'm not sure) be able to get a screwdriver on the ring gear there.



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