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jetson

06-03-1999 19:17:23




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Howdy ya'll,

I just found this web site and believe it will be an excellent resource. Today I found a '52 8N with a 5' brush hog for sale here in North Texas for $1500. It runs fair, but looks poor. Paint is shot with some surface rust. Engine appears to leak a little from front seal. Still has 6 volt battery and generator. Left rear tire is cracked and dry rotted, right rear looks better but has a slow leak. Front wheels have 12 holes (attached with 6 lugs) and the front tires look like Jeep tires?

I am an old car buff, but don't know much about tractors. I recently bought a ten acre homestead and was thinking an 8N would be good to keep the weeds down and for hobby farming.

Is $1500 a good price for a "fixer upper" that runs including an old brush hog? When I go back tomorrow to look at it again and possible purchase, what all should I look for when I check it out better?

Thanks in advance for your help.

jetson

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David(MN)

06-03-1999 19:33:03




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 Re: 52 8N in reply to jetson, 06-03-1999 19:17:23  
If it was close to me I'd tell you it's horrible price(then ask for address). Check the hydraulics..see if it will hold the brush hog up over night without bleed down. Did you run the engine and the hog how does it perform with the hog--if it is down on power it may need a rebuild. if you can, get a compression test done. did you check the brakes...seals can leak oil into the brakes and cause them not not work so well(funny thing about oil). don't worry about minor leaks old tractors like old cars do this..note emphasis on minor. put a volt meter on the generator and see what she's putting out (in addition to the ammeter reading). How's the steering (box is expensive to R/R). What's the condition of the hog...if it's been trashed thats prob an indication of the tractors life also. THERE thats a few things to think about...these things I've learned in a very short time as I've only had my 9n for a couple months....stay tuned here and you can learn alot from some of these "ol farts...some even have a sense of humor..careful any stupid or unsafe acts you mention will get you a preaching from "THE OVERSEER of SAFETY" Good luck and one last warning...these things (and this board is addictive)...enjoy

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jetson

06-03-1999 20:43:13




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 Re: Re: 52 8N in reply to David(MN), 06-03-1999 19:33:03  
The brush hog looks well used (visible weld repairs on the deck) and only stays up 5 or 10 seconds before it returns to earth. There don�t appear to be any visible hydraulic oil leaks, so are we talking seal replacement? Rebuilt pump or actuator?

Didn�t see any leaks around the brakes. Are the brakes similar to a car, in that I could go through the system with new linings, rebuilt wheel cylinders & master cylinder? (can you tell I�m treading on new ground?)

The owner says he bought a bigger tractor because this 8N doesn't have enough power and bogs down in tall grass (3 or 4 feet) and on other jobs. I have a compression tester, but if this is a tractor is a good deal, I think I would not bother doing a compression test and just plan on doing sleeves, pistons, rings, bearings, valves, etc. this winter (next to my wife, I like old engines!) 8^)

Another possibility is buying a dead tractor and doing a total restoration. I might come out with a piece of equipment that I know inside and out for the same or a little more money. I have a 32 Ford sedan and have done a couple of old car �frame off� restorations, so I handle it once I familiarize myself with 8N mechanicals. A couple miles from me is an 8N that has been sitting for a long while (field storage).

Would it be realistic to find a dead 8N for about $500 and plan on an engine overhaul, boil out the gas tank and radiator, sandblast and paint, update wiring and charging, and end up with a fresh running tractor for about $3,000 with me doing all the labor? This assumes 8N transmissions and rear ends usually don�t need major R&R. Am I living in a world of make believe?

Thanks for your advice, O keepers of the 8N flame.

jetson

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Bob Z

06-05-1999 20:38:55




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 Re: Re: Re: 52 8N in reply to jetson, 06-03-1999 20:43:13  
If you're a car buff, you'll fall in love with the N. It's so darned simple and overbuilt. Everything about them is very charming.

I can't give any feedback on the price. Mine was thrown in when I bought my place.

But an 8N is plenty of tractor for 10 acres. They lack live hydraulics, power, and weight, but the hydraulics thing is nothing more than an annoying inconvenience at times. The power and weight really are enough. My 2N has less power (especially since it hasn't had a rebuild in 35 years and needs one) than an 8N, but it's almost always enough for anything I want to do. More power can be just a matter of a simple rebuild. And weight is very easy to come by.

I mow about 6-7 acres of fields when they get about 3 feet tall. More than enough power to mow them at full throttle in 2nd gear, although it does have trouble with the extra-lush grass over the septic drain field.

If that 8N can't handle 3-4 feet, I'd guess it needs a rebuild. It should be able to do anything my 2N does and then some.

Personally, if it were me, I'd just go ahead and buy it. Of course, there's nothing wrong with trying to get it as cheaply as you can. I don't know their real value, but if I didn't have my 2N suddenly, I'd spend $1500 in a heartbeat for one. It's a valued companion you'll have for a very long time.

BTW, the brush hog dropping after 5-10 seconds is pretty bad. But tolerable until you can rebuild it. As long as it can lift plenty of weight when it's running, it's functional.

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truck

06-03-1999 21:01:05




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 Re: Re: Re: 52 8N in reply to jetson, 06-03-1999 20:43:13  
Dead N's for 500 bucks? Where are you anyway? I got the trailer hooked up already! Seriously, the total rebuild approach has merit, but still use caution. Tires can add up quickly as can good sheetmetal. All else is not too bad. A 600 or 800 series would be a more useable tractor, but they are not cheap either..



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jetson

06-03-1999 21:37:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 52 8N in reply to truck, 06-03-1999 21:01:05  
What do you mean about a 600 or 800 series being more useable? More power? Do they have a live PTO? What price range should I expect to be in for one of these? (remember: I found a running 8N with brush hog for $1500). 8^)



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truck

06-04-1999 11:40:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 52 8N in reply to jetson, 06-03-1999 21:37:43  
My 640 has live Hydraulics, which means when I get the post hole digger stuck, at least I can try to lift it up without turning the auger. Same with Bush hog.. I don't have to have the blade turning to lift it out of the trouble I just got it in... All this assumes the hydraulics decide to work that day... Otherwise I just pull off the implement , and drive off to get the 2N which at least has working hydraulics right now, even though it is a LOT lighter, and has A lot less power.. Position control on the 600 is also a nice feature my 2N doesn't have... But I understand 8N's have it.. Now I think an 800 series might actually have a two stage clutch, and live PTO... Also real nice to have when Bush hogging in close quarters... You can do without it, though. Many of us have... But that doesn't stop us from having dreams about a super duper kit to convert our 8N to live PTO.... Unfortunately so far it is only a dream!.. Someday I will scan a picture of this ugly beast with no sheetmetal and a handy dandy externally mounted gas tank so all you other restoration nuts can drool over some prime raw material:-)

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Dell (WA)

06-03-1999 22:16:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 52 8N in reply to jetson, 06-03-1999 21:37:43  
Jetson..... You have several advantages, you already speak Ford flathead (grin).

Up here in pacific northwest puget sound, $1500 for any running N-tractor is a good place to start. Junky brush-hogs $250. 600 - 800 series Fords (late 50's mid 60's) about $4000 - 5000, and the're not as common as N-tractors.

If it is not a total rustbucket, and you are seriously interested, even though it has "flaws", I would offer $1200 because it has "rotted rear tires that cost $200 each" and you are taking a risk...etc... You already know what his selling price is, but it never "hurts" to start low and be willing to come up to his price, if you really want it.

Neat thing about N-tractors, the're cute, parts are readily available and relative enexpensive. As I tell my wife, it keeps me off the streets, out of the bars and away from wild women.

Good Luck on your decision..... ..Dell

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c'mon Dell....bg

06-04-1999 06:04:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 52 8N in reply to Dell (WA), 06-03-1999 22:16:19  
You know you're getting too old to run the streets, hang out in bars and chase wild women. Don't you think it's time for a more creative excuse? ;^)



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Nolan

06-04-1999 07:47:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 52 8N in reply to c'mon Dell....bg, 06-04-1999 06:04:28  
Harumph! That's what wheel chairs are for! Get a nice motorized one and you can run them down before they can escape. Canes have that hooked handle so you can nab them around the neck and drag them back for groping while cackling letcherously.

Nolan
Who refuses to contemplate growning old gracefully, and plans to be an embarasement to his family.



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well, maybe.......Dell (WA)

06-04-1999 07:23:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 52 8N in reply to c'mon Dell....bg, 06-04-1999 06:04:28  
But my wife still thinks I'm capable, and if she'll accept my tinkering with my N-Tractor as a more acceptable alternative to wine, wimmin, & song, who am I to argue? ..... ..Dell (old enuff to know better)



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Nick

06-04-1999 06:12:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 52 8N in reply to c'mon Dell....bg, 06-04-1999 06:04:28  
I noticed Dell is also getting forgetful.
No mention of an over-running clutch in his reply.
Jetson,
You better come back and promise to get one or Dell will get on your case. :-) D.O.N.



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jetson

06-04-1999 07:52:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 52 8N in reply to Nick, 06-04-1999 06:12:48  
It has an over-ride clutch, but is missing the top bar from the 3 point set-up. Owner says he sold it with another tractor by mistake. How much will it cost to replace it?



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Fargo

06-04-1999 08:14:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 52 8N in reply to jetson, 06-04-1999 07:52:24  
25 bucks for a top link from Central Tractor or Agri-supply.com.

Plan on rebuilding it from the ground up. There are many sites with step by step restoration photos etc. created by guys on this forum.

If you don't want to do a complete restoration it would be cheaper to buy an 8n in great shape for $2500-$3000 bucks. Don't buy one without a Sherman high/low transmission. I think an 8n without one is practically useless with its stock high gearing.

Good luck on your decision.

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What does D.O.N. mean?....bg

06-04-1999 06:28:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 52 8N in reply to Nick, 06-04-1999 06:12:48  
I'm pretty familiar with most of the net abbreviations and can usually figure out the ones I'm not familiar with. For the life of me, I can't attach any meaning to D.O.N, which I see fairly often. What does it mean?



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