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Score tonight - 1-0, and a few questions

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Dan

09-18-2007 18:08:54




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With five studs left, I played eeny, meeny, miny, moe and picked one. Same routine as yesterday, center punch, drill, drill, grind with Dremel, and tap. Finished the hole, and the threads looked a tad too shiny. Ran a stud into the hole and sure enough, it was sitting at a slight angle. Looked real good down the hole and could see at the bottom where there was stud material, then block threads outside and below that. Used my custom chisel and found indeed there was stud material on one side of the hole. I guess the remaining stud material was still too thick in this area, and the tap dug into the opposite side of the hole into the softer cast iron. Drat! Cleaned the hole back out and ran the stud in to the band. It is sitting straight in the hole now, but is wiggly if you back it off that band.

Looked into all my other holes, and found another one that was identical. Double drat! Cleaned that one out as well. I guess I need to ensure the stud material is thinner at the bottom than I have been.

So now my questions - if the stud is wiggly in the block (just a tad), but snuggs up when you screw it into the block all the way to the band - should this hold alright? Also, would extra sealant be needed to seal the stud threads up against coolant leakage or still the same anount towards the top most threads? Any action I should consider taking with this issue?

TIA,
Dan

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jetman8N

09-19-2007 09:26:55




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 Re: Score tonight - 1-0, and a few questions in reply to Dan, 09-18-2007 18:08:54  
Dan,
I'd be comfortable with JB weld for the loose studs. The next person can get it out (probably easier than the rusted ones you are fighting). It is tough, especially under compression, like filling the space between the studs and hole threads. I used it to repair a chain saw crankshaft woodruff key hole. I got it in a box because the previous owner ran it with a loose flywheel and the keyway corner broke out. I greased a new key, cleaned the break area, and put in JB weld. When it set, I popped the key, filed it down to size, and installed the flywheel (with a bit of grease). It was an old (large-36 inch bar) McCollough (sp?) with points. I ran it and took it apart many times and never had a problem. Cut a lot of wood with it.

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dbnga

09-19-2007 06:28:25




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 Re: Score tonight - 1-0, and a few questions in reply to Dan, 09-18-2007 18:08:54  
Before you install head and gasket, torque each stud with a spacer simulating the head thickness so you won"t have to eat a gasket or go thru removing head after you have tightened 11 studs.



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TheOldHokie

09-19-2007 05:42:10




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 Thread repair insert - DOH! in reply to Dan, 09-18-2007 18:08:54  
Seems like that one's a candidate for a thread repair insert.

TOH



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JimSC

09-18-2007 20:12:52




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 Re: Score tonight - 1-0, and a few questions in reply to Dan, 09-18-2007 18:08:54  
Dan, you have the fortitude that I could never have. I would buy another N before I could do what you are doing. I would trade my ???? to have a shop do that. It pains me to read your comments every night! God love you for your efforts.



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Dan

09-18-2007 20:27:34




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 Re: Score tonight - 1-0, and a few questions in reply to JimSC, 09-18-2007 20:12:52  
Jim - just trying to show the rest of the board that you DON'T have to take every problem to a machine shop. It DOESN'T mean the end of the word if you have to repair a sheared off stud (or 12). And, you CAN do it without special tools or experience - I am.

I have the money to get a shop to fix this, but I want to do it. I spent the money to buy the tractor - it is mine and I have no one to blame if I mess it up. While it is a fairly rare 1939 block, I prefer to work on and repair my own stuff. Make it all the more better when it is done and running to know I did it myself.

Thanks for the reply,
Dan

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Lumpy

09-18-2007 19:42:37




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 Re: Score tonight - 1-0, and a few questions in reply to Dan, 09-18-2007 18:08:54  
I would put some red loctite on them, crank'em down and let it sit for a day. Then go ahead and finish the job. At this point you really have nothing to lose, but some time IF it fails. IF it works you saved a few $$. The other thing you need to look at is.... it a trailer queen or are you going to work the snot out of it on a weekly basis. I know others will disagree but I fixed a loose head stud on an 8n using JB weld 4 years ago and it is still holding. That tractor does snow removal and antique mold board plowing every year.

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Dan

09-18-2007 20:23:40




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 Re: Score tonight - 1-0, and a few questions in reply to Lumpy, 09-18-2007 19:42:37  
This will not see any real work as long as I have it. I thought about the red loctite solution - but was afraid to really bugger it up the next poor guy who has to work on it :-)

How loose was the stud on yours that you fixed with JB Weld?

Dan



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Lumpy

09-19-2007 10:24:45




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 Re: Score tonight - 1-0, and a few questions in reply to Dan, 09-18-2007 20:23:40  
It was pretty loose to my specs. .015-.020 xtra clearance. It would wiggle pretty good 1/2 to 3/4 of the way down.



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Sean (TX)

09-18-2007 18:59:23




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 Re: Score tonight - 1-0, and a few questions in reply to 52 8N, 09-18-2007 18:08:54  
What does the machine shop charge to plug, drill and retap them per hole?



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Lumpy

09-19-2007 16:14:13




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 Re: Score tonight - 1-0, and a few questions in reply to Sean (TX), 09-18-2007 18:59:23  
Sean, around here ( eastern Iowa ) the shops don't charge by the hole. They charge $65.00 per hour plus materials. I figure in Dans case there would be a min of 2 hrs.



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Dan

09-18-2007 20:21:22




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 Re: Score tonight - 1-0, and a few questions in reply to Sean (TX), 09-18-2007 18:59:23  
Not sure - but I really don't think they are that bad. Since I am using studs, it is easier on the block threads anyway.

Dan



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Dunk

09-18-2007 18:24:03




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 Re: Score tonight - 1-0, and a few questions in reply to Dan, 09-18-2007 18:08:54  
Not much of an answer, but I think you know the 2 questions.

Can you seal the threads against the coolant, and can you get it up to torque.

My real answer is that time will tell.

Personally my gut feeling is that you can.



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Dan

09-18-2007 20:29:53




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 Re: Score tonight - 1-0, and a few questions in reply to Dunk, 09-18-2007 18:24:03  
Thanks Dunk - since I will go back with studs, there is less pressure on the block threads. I guess if I pull one out of the block while torquing the head down I will find my answer :-)

Dan



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