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transmission bellhousing help

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jjplace

12-30-2006 16:54:13




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got my new motor in, start putting the bolt in the tran to engine . was within the last thighting of the last bolt. we hear this pop then we hear a large bang. look around couldn,t see notthing right side, then i went to left there it was. the bellhousing broke from second bolt to the top bolt and about 5 inch wide..... so do they make manual how to repair them transmission step by step on dvd or what ever "and all day to all hear use jb weld "

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jjplace

12-31-2006 18:40:18




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 Re: transmission bellhousing help in reply to jjplace , 12-30-2006 16:54:13  
guy thank alot. went out field jump, up here northern calif today. stop in oroville had some to eat, someone told about this old man in oroville. found were he live sotp in and talk to him. he told me the same, don't waste the money weldingIT, he said . I could call tanty tractor down L A. THEY GOT THE CASE FOR 100.00 AND A COMPLETE TRANSMISSION FOR 800.00 SO I GUESS 800.00 OUT OF THE QuESTION so I go back and see him AFTER HOLIDAY AND SEE WHAT HE HAVE THANK ALOT YOU ALL HAPPY NEW YEAR

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Dunk

12-31-2006 06:06:42




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 Re: transmission bellhousing help in reply to jjplace , 12-30-2006 16:54:13  
At some point in the past something similar has been done to my 49 8N.

You telling this makes me wonder if the issue with mine was caused the same way.

My block has been broken badly, and welded back, by an excellent welder and craftsman. You can't even really tell it when the tractor is all together.

Just from the way it was broken I assumed that they had let all of the bottom bell housing bolts work loose and fall out, causing the tractor to essentially break in half.

It broke from below the starter hole, across it and on around to the other side of the tractor.

I weld, but not on cast iron much... Whoever did this weld was simply awesome at it. I have to assume that they preheated the block to over 600� to lay the bead on it as perfect as he did.

So I won't tell you it can't be welded back to perfection.

When I need to repair cast iron, most of the time I braze it.

All my life I have used an old broom handle cut off to about 8" or 10" with a taper ground on the end of it for a clutch alignment tool. Folks tell me this can't be done properly with that, but I have used it for 30 years on many cars, trucks, and tractors, and have never had a problem with it being lined up close enough for the pilot to slip right in.

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Hobo,NC

12-31-2006 07:17:10




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 Re: transmission bellhousing help in reply to Dunk, 12-31-2006 06:06:42  
Ah�rite it cant� be done, Jez yank�in yer string it kin be done, I have aligned a bunch by eye site only, even used a 3/8 or haft in. extension wrapped in electrical tape to fit the pilot and clutch hub. Nuttin like the sound of the 2 hafts pop�in together when all slides up rite.



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Russ SoCal

12-30-2006 21:17:03




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 Re: transmission bellhousing help in reply to jjplace , 12-30-2006 16:54:13  
jj,
The FO-4 Shop Repair Manual has a section on overhauling the transmission. The manual is available from this site.
Russ



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12-30-2006 21:04:36




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 Re: transmission bellhousing help in reply to jjplace , 12-30-2006 16:54:13  
When the engine and transmission housings go together there should be no question they are properly aligned and the clutch disk is aligned with the splines on the transmission. The two parts should go together easy. If there is any hang-up, and the flanges dont just slide together, STOP!!! and figure out what is wrong.

NEVER use the bolts to force the flanges together or you will BREAK something.

The break you describe cannot be fixed with JB-Weld or anything else I know of. You need a new casting.

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old

12-30-2006 19:19:28




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 Re: transmission bellhousing help in reply to jjplace , 12-30-2006 16:54:13  
JB weld WILL not fix that. Sounds like you didn't use a tool to aline the clutch when you put it on and then forces thing. First off open it up again because you probably warped the clutch disc. One broken bolt holt is no big deal but you should NEVER force thing to ge them back togeather.



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Sean (TX)

12-30-2006 18:13:56




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 Re: transmission bellhousing help in reply to jjplace , 12-30-2006 16:54:13  
Did you use a clutch alignment tool? The disk needs to be aligned with the pilot bearing. Maybe someone can weld it. I dont think JB weld is going to work. Im sure someone on here has a extra case.



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Dunk

12-30-2006 17:03:18




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 Re: transmission bellhousing help in reply to jjplace , 12-30-2006 16:54:13  
The first thang I would figger out would be what the hello I could have done wrong to cause this...



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jjplace

12-30-2006 17:26:45




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 Re: transmission bellhousing help in reply to Dunk, 12-30-2006 17:03:18  
yeah improer installment.. got much in hurry... murphy came with too... so ... so ,
it look like a other tractor or transmission housing so I like to take out this transmission gear and put them other tranie housing so need how to do that manual or dvd ... and look I did said that I did ... ha ha



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souNdguy

12-30-2006 22:08:17




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 Re: transmission bellhousing help in reply to jjplace , 12-30-2006 17:26:45  
You may find a salvage tranny in entirety for the same money as the casting itself.. i see them from time to time when someone is parting one out..

Soundguy



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