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Intake Valve Stuck?

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Scott1ky

10-03-2006 21:09:52

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After pondering and taking a few days off from my 8n that won't start I am about ready to get back into troubleshooting. As some of you may recall, when trying to crank my engine, it would backfire through the carb. After some of you responded and said that it may be a stuck intake valve, I also got some feedback from a tractor mechanic that works with my dad. His recommendation was to pour some kerosene into the cylinders and crank a few times, then let it sit for a day or two. This may cause the stuck valve to free.

I think I'm going to try this method. One thing I wonder though, is how do you prepare to start the engine after it's flooded with kerosene?

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maplehillfrm,pat

10-04-2006 07:02:51

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-03-2006 21:09:52

I agree with te rest , you need to see if you have a stuck valve, the easist way is to remove your valve covers by your carb, turn over the engine and see if all your valves move up and down, if they do you dont have a stuck valve problem . if there is one or two that dont move you may be able to manipulate them from there, if you cant your best plan of attack will be to try it thru the sparky hole, if no go you will have to bite the bullet take off the head and see your valves from there. the snake oil just sprayed into the hole only, probaly wont wont work as the valve will need to be moved to remove the rust, once the head is off , you can crank the engine, and with a dowel push on the valve so it goes down with help, it should come up on its own, spraysome snake oil on it then and keep working at it , the valve will then be able to clean itself of rust and work fine, hope that helps, pat

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Bruce (VA)

10-04-2006 05:45:46

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-03-2006 21:09:52

Why are you trying to solve a problem you don't know you have? There are two ways to determine if you have a stuck valve; do a compression check or pull the valve covers. If indeed you have a stuck valve, then proceed to fix it.

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Scott1ky

10-04-2006 17:47:26

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Bruce (VA), 10-04-2006 05:45:46

Bruce I indeed do have a stuck intake valve, so yes that is the problem.

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Bruce (VA)

10-04-2006 18:13:50

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-04-2006 17:47:26

I read your post twice and I see no mention of the FACT that you have a stuck valve. What you said, above, was that some of us said you MAY have a stuck valve. That, to me, is not the same as saying "I have a stuck valve". In response to your question to Joe (IN) below, he told you to check the compression on 9/30/06. In the same thread, you were advised by jmixigo and RP-40-9N as well to check the compression. So, I'm going to assume you are not going back to read the responses to your post and that you did not check the email notification box that tells you when someone has resonded. That is disappointing. Folks here are glad to help and do not mind answering the same questions over & over again.....as long as it is not from the same person. If you do not agree with the advice you are getting, please tell us because we may be wrong & welcome the chance to learn something. But, if you ask a question, please do us the simple courtesy of reading the responses before you ask the same question again.

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Scott1ky

10-05-2006 08:45:32

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Bruce (VA), 10-04-2006 18:13:50

For the most part, the folks on this board are courteous and have a sincere interest in old tractors and in helping others by offering advice from experience. I DO in fact go back and check responses, but I apologize about those responses that I missed regarding on that ONE thread. And you're right I didn't check the email notification box. So I guess I deserve all that attitude because of this? While I received most responses I apparently missed the folks recommending a compression test. I do plan on doing a compression test as soon as I get a tester, but have not purchased one yet. I'm working on this project in my spare time, so I have to do what I can, when I can.

I did NOT however post the "same question twice" as you accuse me of, as the question I posted asked about using kerosene to free a stuck valve and what needed to be done to prepare it for starting afterwards. After posting that I "may" have a stuck valve, I removed the valve cover and found that I in fact "DO" have a stuck valve. The question I posted was simply a "WHAT IF" scenario, and what would be the best thing to do. Apparently you can't recognize the difference.

What really is dissapointing is guys like you who get an attitude on this board. There is no reason for this behaviour and no excuse for it. Apparently you get some sort of gratification by spouting off your supposed "tractor knowledge" rather than a friendly offering of advice. From now on I would appreciate that you would not respond if you can not keep your snippy attitude to yourself.

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Bruce (VA)

10-05-2006 09:39:33

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-05-2006 08:45:32

One of the many benifits of having this exchange in an open forum is that all who care to read this thread and the 9/30/06 thread can form their own opinion as to which one of us has the attitude problem. If I offend folks with my alleged snippy attitude or incorrect responses, I will get few if any responses to any subsequent questions I may have. Most folks just ignore posts from those who are perceived as being difficult or as having an attitude problem. So, time will tell as to which one of us is seen as having the attitude problem. When folks in good faith offer advice they do not expect to be met with an argument in response. So, the simple solution is that they no longer will offer the advice to someone who offers an attitude. I do not expect that you will see fit to respond to my posts & likewise I do not think my advice to you is welcomed or appreciated, so I will not take up anymore of your time.

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Scott1ky

10-05-2006 09:53:23

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Bruce (VA), 10-05-2006 09:39:33

Bruce if it is me who is coming across this way, then I am sorry. I am not on this board to make enemies. Maybe I am just taking your responses as offensive but you do not mean them to be.

Thanks,
Scott

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Bruce (VA)

10-05-2006 13:12:15

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-05-2006 09:53:23

No, I am usually pretty direct when I intend to p*ss someone off, so if you perceived my advice re checking replies as being snippy, I can assure you it was not intended to be. It was intended to be a well meaning suggestion to keep your posts from being ignored in the future. Not being the warm & fuzzy Dr Phil sort, maybe I should limit my advice, not matter how well intentioned, to tractor repair!

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Henry M

10-04-2006 05:15:51

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-03-2006 21:09:52

I did the same a Duner. It worked for me.

I was able to stick the nozzle/tube from the snake oil can in the plug hole and squirt the stuff under the valve on the stem.

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Duner Wi

10-04-2006 04:57:44

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-03-2006 21:09:52

I have gone thru the spark plug hole and got loose the intake free with a dowell stick, On the exhaust I made a little "L" shaped tool and was able to free them up. Don't pound hard ,small taps with a very light hammer worked for me. I sprayed some WD 40 type stuff on the valve too.

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Joe (IN)

10-03-2006 22:59:24

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-03-2006 21:09:52

Well, about all you need to do is pull the plugs and crank it over to expel any amount of kerosene sufficient enough to cause hydro-lock. Screw the plugs back in and see what you get. That's a lot of horsing around and waiting to unstick a valve, though. Not to mention the fact that most of the kero is going to go into the cylinder instead of the valve pockets. The rings wont't likely hold it and it'll all end up in the crankcase diluting your oil. You'd be better off pulling the valve covers off, seeing what you've actually got going on in there, and attacking the problem valve/valves itself rather than guessing at it and using the "shotgun" approach to fixing it. If you'd done a compression test like several of us told you to and posted the numbers, we could pert' near pinpoint the problem for ya. Good luck!

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Scott1ky

10-04-2006 17:50:53

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Joe (IN), 10-03-2006 22:59:24

Joe what do you mean by this statement?

"If you'd done a compression test like several of us told you to and posted the numbers, we could pert' near pinpoint the problem for ya."

When has anyone directed me specifically to do a compression test???

Thanks

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souNdguy

10-04-2006 18:34:30

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-04-2006 17:50:53

Back on 9/30, you posted about this.. 3 different people directed you to do a compression check.. The message is now on page 5 or 6, but if you had checked the 'email notification' box you would have known about the replies.

I've posted a link for you to go back and visit your message and the replies from 9/30

Soundguy

Message from 9/30

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Scott1ky

10-05-2006 08:46:42

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to souNdguy, 10-04-2006 18:34:30

Thanks Soundguy. Sorry I missed part of that thread and the responses. I plan to do a compression test as soon as I can.

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Joe (IN)

10-05-2006 00:09:24

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to souNdguy, 10-04-2006 18:34:30

Yup, that'd be 'zactly what I meant.

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Scott1ky

10-05-2006 08:48:00

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Joe (IN), 10-05-2006 00:09:24

Joe, I apologize. Sorry I missed your responses on that thread. I'll be sure to check the notification box from now on. Apparently when you miss a post, it really offends some people on this board. Whatever happened to friendly discussion? Anyways thanks for the advice.

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souNdguy

10-05-2006 11:02:13

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-05-2006 08:48:00

I started a big discussion about this a few weeks back.. here is what it boils down to.

Because of the influx of new members, and people new to this software, there will always be duplicate questions asked.. sometimes days or hours apart, by different members. This in and of itself is not a huge concern.. You can't fault a new member for asking a question that has already been answered.. Also.. new members may not be familiar with checking the archives, or searchin back pages for similar questions... now.. where the heckles come up, is when a user posts a message, and then does not check the responses, and then posts the same question again on the next day / page. To the members that took time to look at the post and think about the answer, and then type the answer in ( sometimes a long post.. and many don't type fast ). well.. it's almost like a slap in the face... that's where the offense comes from. If it were only a once a month thing.. it wouldn't even be bad.. however.. it seems it is almost daily.. etc... For the people typing in the answer.. it begins to wear on you... Who wants to continously tell the same person the answer to the same question..

Anyway.. good luck on the compression check... be sure to post back and let us know how it comes out.. ad then we can further brainstorm on the issues befalling the tractor.

Soundguy

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Scott1ky

10-05-2006 11:27:12

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to souNdguy, 10-05-2006 11:02:13

Soundguy,

That is completely understandable. Normally I make sure to get all responses, but I guess in this case I just missed a couple posts by mistake. I don't think on this thread that I asked the same question twice as someone suggested I did, or that I have done so in the past.

But I do know what you mean, referring to people in general who ask the same question over and over again. Thanks for the information and I will make sure to post updates and whenever I get the compression numbers back. I don't want to lose enthusiasm in this board just because of one bad experience. I also wouldn't want the same experience to happen to a new user who comes to this board and might perceive a negative tone in a member's responses. Most of the advice given on here is great, and not only that, its a good place to come and just discuss each other's experiences with our N tractors.

Thanks,
Scott

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souNdguy

10-05-2006 11:37:43

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Re: Intake Valve Stuck? in reply to Scott1ky, 10-05-2006 11:27:12

I think it was the single issue of the compression check that was brought up inthe previous post is what was being refered to, and your reply of that nobody had mentiond compression checks.. or something to that effect...

Soundguy

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