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Upper Peninsula

06-23-2006 18:50:51

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We will have to replace an 30gal. LP Hotwater heater at our camp. We run on generators and 12volts. Would like to install a tankless with a standing pilot light that does not need electricity to operate.With the price of LP it may pay to go tankless. Menards and Lowes has one at $498. Would appreciate any thoughts,experiences etc that you've had.I will have to drain it when leaving camp late fall and during the winter when we spend a few days several times each winter hunting and ice fishing. Any experience out there with draining and winterizing them? Sorry about this OT post, but I know that I'll receive some good replies from this forum. Thanks in advance buddies. Ron

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UpperPeninsula,MI

06-25-2006 19:25:34

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Re: OT-Tankless Hot Water Heaters in reply to Upper Peninsula, MI, 06-23-2006 18:50:51

ForestRancher,Dachshund,FlyN2low, Gregge,Tymoc,Hobo,NC & Bob(WA). Thanks for all the extemely thoughtfull input. Stopped by Menards today and they have the 125B (Standing Pilot light)@ $498 and the 125HX (Electronic Ignition,NO Electricity Required) @$599 that they can order out. Mgr. said he sold at least 50 in the past two years and no problems with any of them, except the owners keep on coming back telling him how much cheaper they are to operate. As of now it looks like I may get the 125B, but might reconsider and get the HX. Have to install a larger pipe from the tank to the camp. The gas company that installed the tanks several years ago put in 3/8", too small and have experienced pressure problems ever since. Will post when the installation is complete. We sure have a great forum here. Thanks again. Ron

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ForestRancher

06-24-2006 11:25:04

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Re: OT-Tankless Hot Water Heaters in reply to Upper Peninsula, MI, 06-23-2006 18:50:51

We have a large AquaStar 240FX (made be Takagi) and it saved us 50% on our propane bill last year. It would be overkill at your cabin. What you want is a Bosch 125HX-LP. It will give over 3 gallons a minute forever and it ignites via a clever hydro genertor that works off the flow of water thru the unit. No wasted LP on a pilot and no gas to generator for igniter. Should do all you want unless you want a hot tub full.
Bud in the hills of NorCal

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Dachshund

06-24-2006 06:16:44

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Re: OT-Tankless Hot Water Heaters in reply to Upper Peninsula, MI, 06-23-2006 18:50:51

Got one of the Bosch Aqua-Star models in our house for 2 years, now. Great little unit! There are only two of us, so running 2 things at the same time is not an issue. No batteries in this one - propane pilot light and turns on by way of a water pressure sensor valve. Got it at Menard's.

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flyN2low

06-24-2006 04:15:59

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Re: OT-Tankless Hot Water Heaters in reply to Upper Peninsula, MI, 06-23-2006 18:50:51

I put one in my house five years ago.
Bosch aqua-star, pilot light model.
Works really GREAT!
You can shower all day, if you want to.
Only thing is, it won't quite supply two showers at once. Too much volume of water for it to heat going through it that fast.
You'll have to shut off the gas first, before you drain it. It's the water pressure drop across the regulator that triggers the burner on.
After using it, I wouldn't have anything else!

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Gregg E

06-23-2006 22:26:26

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Re: OT-Tankless Hot Water Heaters in reply to Upper Peninsula, MI, 06-23-2006 18:50:51

These tankless water heaters are battery operated units. What I would do if I were to have to drain one for the winter is install a ball valve right before the tankless water heater. When you are ready to drain the system for the winter turn the ball valve off open some water fixtures down line to remove the water from the piping and remove the D cell batteries that ignite the burners in the combustion chamber.
Gregg

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Tymoc

06-23-2006 21:40:35

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Re: OT-Tankless Hot Water Heaters in reply to Upper Peninsula, MI, 06-23-2006 18:50:51

We heat a hot tub at our camp with a wood stove with copper tubes run across the top of the stove inside the fire box. Tub holds about 500 or more gal. of water. Takes all day to get it from slushy to about 120 F. If only heating 50 gal. shouldn't take to long. Cold out the bottom of the heater hot line in the top. Thermal siphen(sp)will circulate it. Be careful, water can get really hot. Insulate it well. Even the wood stove. Ours will actually blow steam into the top of the tub.

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Hobo,NC

06-23-2006 19:00:21

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Re: OT-Tankless Hot Water Heaters in reply to Upper Peninsula, MI, 06-23-2006 18:50:51

I would go with a RV type LP unit, course you will need to learn how to take a NAVY shower. Bigg�izz problem izz no heater izz designed to use just once and a while. For the price its hard to beat a electric unit. That�s a hard ?? To answer iffin it�s a buddy buddy deal and you split the price sounds like its worth a try.

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Upper Peninsula,MI

06-23-2006 19:21:50

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Re: OT-Tankless Hot Water Heaters in reply to Hobo,NC, 06-23-2006 19:00:21

Hobo. Thanks for the input. Electric would be nice but expensive when your running the generators on propane @ $1.65 per gal. I have two 500 gal tanks at camp, so the supply is no problem, just thought that as long as a regular LP 30 gal. tank will cost a minimum of $325, may as well go the extra mile and get 30 - 40% reduction in LP useage. We also like to take long showers after a hard day around the firepit. Ron

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Bob (WA)

06-24-2006 08:33:07

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Re: OT-Tankless Hot Water Heaters in reply to Upper Peninsula,MI, 06-23-2006 19:21:50

How about a Geo Thermal unit? I have a Geo Thermal heating, cooling and hot water system on my home and it keeps the house (3000 square feet) warm in the winter and cool in the summer plus it heats all the water we need year 'round and it only costs around $700 yearly for the electricity (here in the Great Pacific Northwet power is about .08 cents a KW Hour). These systems can also be run on natural gas or propane.

My .08 cents worth.

Bob
'48 8N 124299

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