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6V/12V Question

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Larry

05-03-2001 09:12:56




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Sorry to still sound dumb here, but I have to learn about this thing. It has a 12V battery on it, but I'm pretty sure the coil is a 6V. Where does the conversion take place? If it has been properly converted, how can I tell, and what do I look for. I'm also confused about "positive ground". Thank you for all of your help.




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Mountainman

05-03-2001 22:23:51




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 Re: 6V/12V Question in reply to Larry, 05-03-2001 09:12:56  
Great explanation Dell, but if (since you're not sure) you have a 12 volt front coil you might have only one resister. I have only one resister (like that used on a '57 Chevy) and it provides 7.5 volts at the coil � should be 8 - 10 � but it works fine.
My 12 volt coil has absolutely no markings on it that might even remotely identify the manufacturer. The little sticker that said 12 volts was gone before I could even snap the bail on.
Measure your voltage at the coil (point open = bat voltage, points closed = 3.5 for 6 volt coil and about 8 - 10 volts for 12 volt coil).
Hope this helps.

Mountainman (CA)

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smokie

05-03-2001 14:47:01




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 Re: 6V/12V Question in reply to Larry, 05-03-2001 09:12:56  
dell you really need to take your act on the road you mite not get rich but we would get a good laugh seeing you on tv. all the just to say look for two resistors lol lol lol



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Dell (WA)

05-03-2001 11:19:01




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 Re: 6V/12V Question in reply to Larry, 05-03-2001 09:12:56  
Larry..... ..to make any electrical/electronic thingy work, ya gotts to have a go-to conductor and comes-back conductor, wheather household AC or tractor DC battery. Conductors are traditionally called "wires" and are usually "insulated" so they don't shortout.

Howsomever, in the automotive/truck/tractor world, they're cheeply made and so to save money, they make the metal chassis/engine/body stuff into a conductor called, are you ready for this? They call this great big ol' metal mass a "ground".

It also simplifies the electrical systems too.

Then by convention, if the positive post of the Direct Current (DC) battery is connected to the chassis/body/engine somewhere, it is called POSITIVE ground.

Conversely, if the negative post post of the Direct Current (DC) battery is connected to the chassis/body/engine somewhere, it is called NEGATIVE ground.

Isn't that amazing? Positive ground, negative ground, so logical.

Now then, electrons are lazy suckers and want to take the eazy way home and we their task-masters want them to do some work before they do go home. And us meanies use the other side of the battery to supply electrical power to do our bidding. That is why there are starters, lightbulbs, ignition coils, sparkplugs...etc...

Now then, there are 2 ways of converting a frontmount ignition system to operate in a 12 volt conversion scheme, and a lot of ways to do it wrong.

If'n you have an OEM 6 volt frontmount ignition coil, it really is designed to run on about 3.5 volts (2.5 min, 4.0 max). Wheather the battery is 6 volts or 12 volts, don't matter, the coil requirements don't change, 3.5 volts. And this was originally accomplished by the infamous "ballast resistor" that is mounted on the backside of the dash panel.

So to make a 6 volt ignition coil work properly in a 12 volt battery system, you need a 12 volt to 6 volt dropping resistor AND you also need the ballast resistor wired together in series like flashlight batterys.

Resistors are generally ceramic blocks (about 1/2 sq X 3 long) that get very hot, burnie-burnie.

So the answer to your question, "is my tractor properly converted to 12 volts?" depends whether or not it was done as described. There are other ways, but this is the most common..... ..Dell

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Errin OH

05-03-2001 12:04:35




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 Re: Re: 6V/12V Question in reply to Dell (WA), 05-03-2001 11:19:01  
So dell, where you laughin while typing it? I sure was reading it. Reguardless they need a "Best of..." catagory to keep this one in. By the way, have you ever notice how excited those "lazy suckers" get when you drop a wrench across the battery post.



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OKcity8N

05-03-2001 11:43:52




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 Re: Re: 6V/12V Question in reply to Dell (WA), 05-03-2001 11:19:01  
Lafffffed my butt off on that one, Dell. I worked as an electronic technician for 22 years before moving into the software world. This rivals the explanation of the light bulb (dark sucker) and the "O""N"/"O""F""F" switch. Keep em comin!



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OK....Now...

05-03-2001 11:34:12




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 Re: Re: 6V/12V Question in reply to Dell (WA), 05-03-2001 11:19:01  
Behind the panel, there is a ceramic block that the wire from the key switch goes to. But, I do not remember any other type of resistor anywhere in the line.



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bj/8N/mt

05-03-2001 17:13:12




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 Re: Re: Re: 6V/12V Question in reply to OK....Now..., 05-03-2001 11:34:12  
Part of the joy of twelve volt conversions is there are so many ways to do it. Some of them even work.

Both six volt and twelve volt coils exist for front mount 8N's. If you can't find a mark that tells you maybe you can find enough to track down the manufacturer or vendor and make a phone call.

The absence of any resistor other than the one behind the dash indicates something is "rotten in Denmark". What it is I can't tell you without inspecting your coil. Either call as above or hold it up to the phone.

Your mileage may vary

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