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8N Loader Hydraulic system questions

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Ted

05-01-2001 16:01:50




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I am considering the purchase of a 1948 Ford 8N for mowing, driveway maintnenance, and hauling felled timber up out of my ravine. A loader would be VERY handy for the wood hauling. The unit I am looking at has a loader "kit" (pile of rusty weldments) that comes with it. The key ingredient that is missing is a pump. The seller indicates I need to find a pump that fits into the main hydraulic oil sump, attaching where the filler plug is located. The rest of the 8N seems OK, but I will have to inspect it again after reading the info found on this site.

I have been searching the internet for some mention of this sump-mounted pump and have turned up nothing. What I do read about is the front mounted, crankshaft-driven pump. The loader is not a "Dearborn", based on what I see in photos, and the cylinders are included, and were stored in a shed, and look OK. Questions:
Does this mounted-next-to-the-shift lever hydraulic pump exist?
What would it take to add the crank-driven pump: Many hundreds of bucks for framework, etc.?
The 1948 8N has a socket in the end of the crankshaft (for a hand crank?). Is this what drives the Hyd. pump?
Does the Frontmount pump sit outside the radiator grille? (This might interfere with the loader frame)
Does anyone have a photo of the frontmount pump that they could post?
Any help is greatly appreciated. The more I find out about 8N units, the home-mechanic orientation and all the support available, the better I like the idea of getting one.
Ted

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bj/8N/mt

05-02-2001 04:38:59




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 Re: 8N Loader Hydraulic system questions in reply to Ted, 05-01-2001 16:01:50  
You nailed it when you described that loader kit as a pile of parts. Built a shop built loader out of such a pile of parts after getting real friendly with the people at Surplus Center 1-800-488-3407. Get a catalogue now. You will want it eventually if you go this route. If you are engineering this from a parts pile get yourself a vane type pump with 10 GPM or better. More GPM=faster cycle times but more engine load; Vane type=no drag at startup which makes a difference if you live north of "Andy Hammond, LA". This ought to give you enough to think about at this stage. Just don't assume that that pile of loader parts is going to become a loader for less than several hundred dollars.

Your mileage may vary

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ED

05-01-2001 20:47:35




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 Re: 8N Loader Hydraulic system questions in reply to Ted, 05-01-2001 16:01:50  
for what it is worth, you might want to do a search for loaders in the archives...

Many agree that without power steering, a loader becomes cumbersome. Also, the kingpin which supports the weight of the tractor at the front axle wasn't designed for added loader weight. If the loader will be for hauling cut wood, you might want to consider a rear scoop or building a custom box on a 3pt hitch mounted frame. I know our TSC store has a steel flat platform for the 3point that I have been looking at for some time. Just have to figure out what I need it for.

By the way, the N series tractors are great for the mowing and grading.

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MikeC

05-01-2001 17:57:52




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 Re: 8N Loader Hydraulic system questions in reply to Ted, 05-01-2001 16:01:50  
I do not know the brand of loader that you have, but here is the way that my Dearborn 19-22 is set up: There is an adapter on the front of the crank pulley that accepts the shaft from the pump. This is the same hole that the engine hand crank goes into. The pump is mounted about 12" in front of the grill on the loader frame. There is a coupling between the shaft and the pump that allows the shaft to be removed during loader removal. As far as converting your existing loader? Anything is possible, especially with the wisdom of this board. I do know that finding any aftermarket parts is nearly impossible for the Dearborn, so I have become quite good at "fabrication". You might check with some tractor dealers in your area. There is a dealer in Ankeny, IA that has about 6 old loaders in back of the building. Might be possible to get parts and pieces to convert yours, or just another loader altogether.
If you want pictures, send me an email at [email protected] and I will take the digital camera out and snap a few.

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ZANE

05-01-2001 17:55:01




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 Re: 8N Loader Hydraulic system questions in reply to Ted, 05-01-2001 16:01:50  
Does the tractor have the 3 point hitch parts and the hydraulic pump that powers it? The hydraulic pump should be in the bottom of the lift housing with the power take off shaft running through it. The PTO is what drives the standard hydraulic pump.
This pump can be used to raise and lower a front loader by tieing down the lift arms so that the hydraulic oil is directed to the loader cylinders. This set up will work but not very good. For one thing it will be slow as pond water.
Another disadvantage is that the three point lift and the loader cannot be used at the same time. If the three point is used the loader will have to have a valve in the supply line so it can be turned off so you can use the three point lift.

Best to get a loader that is built for the 8N with the frong pump. Then the loader will have the pump mounting bracket made onto the loader frame for this purpose.

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