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540 RPM PTO Throttle Position

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ED

04-04-2001 07:30:52




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Where should the throttle be to get the PTO RPM to 540 on a 1946 2N?




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Jim

04-04-2001 10:57:46




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 Re: 540 RPM PTO Throttle Position in reply to ED, 04-04-2001 07:30:52  
Ed, I guess I cheated a little to be able to get the right RPMs. The PTO rpm is a function of the engine rpm, from the manual an engine rpm of 1500 will give a PTO rpm of 536. So if your interested in exactly 545 (or max of 545!), then the engine rpm should be 1525.

That was easy, now the hard part. Your '46 2N motor (and front mount dist) is just like my '47 motor (just happens to be mounted on a '50 chassis, hybrid tractor). In order to use an external tach/dwell meter, like those you can purchase at most any car parts store ($25 to $50), you need to to be able to tap into the dist at the screw terminal where the condenser wire, points wire and coil "pigtail" connect. I added an additional wire to this terminal and ran it out of the side of the dist up to just behind the water pump (for easily access when I connect up to it) (It is taped up and protected from the weather or shorting out against something when not in use).

I connect my meter leads to this wire and a good ground. Then using this meter, run the engine up to the desired rpm (in this case 1525) and mark this location on the throttle quad. Because the throttle quad really controls the governor, the position marked will always be 1525 rpm no matter what the load (if the governor is functioning correctly). One added benifit is with this meter you can now also check the dwell at the same time! When installing a new set of points, I set to the proper .015 gap, and then once the dist is reinstalled, use the meter to check (it should be 60 degrees of dwell) and note it in my records. Then as time goes by and I want to know the condition of my points, I just hook up my dwell meter again check the dwell. This will tell me if the points have worn, burned, etc. (Also saves a lot of time, don't have to remove dist to check the points)

You can also adjust your idle rpm (400), max rpm on the governor (2200), and throttle linkages.

Good Luck, Jim

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TimK

04-04-2001 12:50:52




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 Re: Re: 540 RPM PTO Throttle Position in reply to Jim, 04-04-2001 10:57:46  
Great response: Will a 12v. dwell tach meter work on the 6v ?



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Jim

04-04-2001 13:59:59




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 Re: Re: Re: 540 RPM PTO Throttle Position in reply to TimK, 04-04-2001 12:50:52  
TimK I'm not sure, but I don't think my tach/dwell meter will work on a 6 volt system. I have converted my system to 12V batt, alternator, 12V coil, and neg grd. I do know that it does not matter whether the coil is 6 volt or 12 volt, the meter will still detect the opening and closing of the points and calculate an rpm and dwell for presentation on the meter.

Jim



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2fordsmike

04-04-2001 08:09:23




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 Re: 540 RPM PTO Throttle Position in reply to ED, 04-04-2001 07:30:52  
Ed: bj. is correct, you can get an efficient working speed simply by feel of the tractor and implement. We ran 9Ns and 8Ns without tachometers when I was a kid and didn't even think to worry about this. The throttle position will vary from tractor to tractor. But we can guess that it will be somewhere around two-thirds to three-fourths open under load. By the way, we very rarely ran our Ford tractors wide open and the above settings also felt about right when plowing or disking. When we did get a Jubilee and 801, we throttled them instinctively too and then learned we were guessing very close to the correct rpm! That was 40-50 years ago! 2fordsmike

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bj/8N/mt

04-04-2001 07:55:33




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 Re: 540 RPM PTO Throttle Position in reply to ED, 04-04-2001 07:30:52  
with a shaft tach mine only need around one third throttle to make 540 PTO rpm

there are so many variables that what you are going to get is at best a guess but most implements aren't all that rpm sensitive. if the implement seems to work right you are probably close

your mileage may vary



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TimK

04-04-2001 07:45:26




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 Re: 540 RPM PTO Throttle Position in reply to ED, 04-04-2001 07:30:52  
According to FO-4 manual, the max. engine rpm is 2200. Engine rpm at 1500 gives a 545 pto rpm. Engine idle rpm is 400. Sounds to me that you should be about 3/4 throttle to get 540 rpm. But I don't know how you measure engine rpm with a 6v. front mount if that's what you have. There are no electonic instuments available that I know of, nor am I sure how you would hook them up even if there were. Maybe someone else on this Board knows how to do that. My $.02

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