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Bryan in WI

08-08-2004 12:29:18




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"52 8N. My left real wheels is "creaky". It makes a creaking sound every rev. It is only present when under drive, if I"m coasting in neutral it does not make any noise. It might be worse when I"m carrying something heavy. It goes away if I"m turning left. Kind of hard to tell exactly where it is coming from without falling off and getting run over while I lean over the fender ;) but it sounds like the hub.

Whaddya think? Is it maybe the wheel bearing? Brakes rubbing? What should I look at first?

Assuming that it is the bearing, can a guy that does not know that much (me) and has only changed/packed bearings on a small camper trailer handle it with just hand tools, jack stands and a big breaker bar?

What should I try first?

Thanks, Bryan

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Bryan in WI

08-08-2004 14:23:13




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 Re: Creaky wheel ... hubs? in reply to Bryan in WI, 08-08-2004 12:29:18  
OK, looking at my wheels, I see that the axle nut has a lot more threads showing on this side vs. the right side. There are 5 threads showing on the bad wheel, just one thread on the good wheel. I was doing a little reading in the archives, sounds like this might mean a worn hub, and there is no more tightening adjustment left. Sounds like this is pretty common on the 8N.

OK dumb questions, I can get a new hub locally, but are they pressed on? What is the deal on changing them? If I put on a new hub, do I have to adjust the bearing shims?

Should I try the trick with a giant washer?

Bryan

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Rob

08-08-2004 16:21:26




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 Re: Creaky wheel ... hubs? in reply to Bryan in WI, 08-08-2004 14:23:13  
I guess you have the book so you know to loosen the nut before you remove the wheel. You don't have to take it off. Get the wheel off and you will learn something more about the problem. You may not have to replace bearings, who knows. It's no big deal to pull the wheel unless it's full of fluid and then it's one super-heavy and can be dangerous thing you do not want to end up on top of you. If you don't know, rotate the wheel to get the valve stem low and see what comes out.
That hub and axle are splined. Pull the wheel and jiggle the drum, see what you got.

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Dale (NY)

08-08-2004 16:09:34




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 Re: Creaky wheel ... hubs? in reply to Bryan in WI, 08-08-2004 14:23:13  
More threads doesnt mean bad hubs. Mine are like that and thats after new hubs & axles.



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big red

08-08-2004 13:29:28




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 Re: Creaky wheel in reply to Bryan in WI, 08-08-2004 12:29:18  
Are you close to lake geneva aera? I could run over and help you with it. Gary



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Bryan in WI

08-08-2004 13:44:35




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 Re: Creaky wheel in reply to big red, 08-08-2004 13:29:28  
Hey Red, That's nice of you, but I'm too far from you, near Madison, between Mt. Horeb and Verona.

It sounds like maybe I can take the wheel off, then take the brake drum off, then take the bearing retainer off, then take the axle out and take it in to have a new bearing pressed on if it needs it.

I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions once I start.

I do have an FO-4, but nothing beats seeing someone actually doing it. I have a bad feeling that I won't even be able to get the nuts off!

Bryan

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SteveB(wi)

08-08-2004 20:04:22




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 Re: Creaky wheel in reply to Bryan in WI, 08-08-2004 13:44:35  
Here is a link for Smiths rear seal repair which walks you through much of the job.



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Bryan in WI

08-09-2004 06:11:33




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 Re: Creaky wheel THANKS! in reply to SteveB(wi), 08-08-2004 20:04:22  
Thanks for all the responses, Steve, Rob, Red, Dale, Fess, John...

The photos on the Smith site help a lot, looks like a piece of cake! The idea of waiting until I get the wheel off and see what is actually wrong is of course the way to go, I'm always jumping the gun and want to fix stuff NOW. I have to pick up a couple things before I can start, my puller looks too small, and I need a 2" socket for the axle nut (gotta measure it). I'll post in another thread once I can see what is going on, thanks to all, this is a great board. Bryan

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SteveB(wi)

08-09-2004 06:23:59




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 Re: Creaky wheel THANKS! in reply to Bryan in WI, 08-09-2004 06:11:33  
You also might check this guy out. I noticed it on a trip to Dodgeville but didn"t have time to stop in. Found his web site later.



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Bryan in WI

08-09-2004 06:49:26




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 Re: Creaky wheel -Phils in reply to SteveB(wi), 08-09-2004 06:23:59  
Yes, I got to Phils all the time for my parts, it is about a 30 min drive. He has everything and then he has some more. They could also do the work if I could afford it. One problem is that I don't have a trailer, so I either have to pay for pick up and drop off, or I have to rent one twice which adds to the cost, plus I don't have a receiver on my pickup. I try to do as much as I can myself, but I do appreciate having a place like that close. Their prices can be a little high on some things, but you have to balance that against having a place like that at all and getting your parts today; they have to stay in business and I try to get everything there. Farm/Fleet also has a few tuneup parts, and my local auto store carries some stuff like AL437 plugs.

Bryan

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Fessman

08-08-2004 12:53:48




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 Re: Creaky wheel in reply to Bryan in WI, 08-08-2004 12:29:18  
Brian,

It is very easy to change the bearings. You will need to have them pressed off, and back on. Also, get a bunch of shims before the project, and go at it. If you do not have the manual, you will need one. Beside, you should have one anyhow.

Fessman



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Rob

08-08-2004 12:41:50




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 Re: Creaky wheel in reply to Bryan in WI, 08-08-2004 12:29:18  
Try looking at the nut on the end of the axle. Might be loose. Stand facing the side of the tire, grab the top of the tire and push and pull pretty hard. See if there is movement in the wheel side-to-side. Shouldn't be.
Bad wheel bearings will often show up that way and so will an axle with a loose axle nut or a worn hub. If it moves maybe you can see where it's moving and figure what's next.

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Bryan in WI

08-08-2004 13:02:35




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 Re: Creaky wheel in reply to Rob, 08-08-2004 12:41:50  
Thanks Rob
, I just went out and shook it, it is hard to tell. Maybe I should jack it up? Anyway, the right wheel feels tight, the left one (creaky) maybe there is some play in there, very hard to tell. I can't tell where it is moving, if I had to say I'd say that the brake backing plate is moving in the drum. The big nut (king nut? what do you call those) looks tight, but maybe I should take the clip off and see if I can move it; 200 lb guy, standing a little over 2 feet out on a bar should be about 450lbs... How do you get that clip off, pry it off from the end away from the end that goes in the hole?

Thanks again, Bryan

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Bryan in WI

08-08-2004 13:37:48




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 Re: Creaky wheel in reply to Bryan in WI, 08-08-2004 13:02:35  
Follow up, I tried tightening the nut after taking the clip off, I can't budge it. All I have that fits is an 18" pipe wrench and a piece of pipe, but I stood on that and could not move it, so at least I'll say that it isn't "loose". I'm chewing up the nut though, so I'll stop doing that.



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JohnMD

08-08-2004 15:57:01




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 Re: Creaky wheel in reply to Bryan in WI, 08-08-2004 13:37:48  
If you have not done work of this type you might want to consider getting a video on changing brakes. It shows how to remove all the stuff you need to get to the axel.See the links on this page.



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