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Jeff Young

05-12-2004 04:31:36




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Well, after changing my ignition switch and a few other things, I finally got everything back together again. Some of you may remember I replaced the original ignition switch about a week ago. My tractor is still a 6V system. Anyway, I turned the key and tried to start it, and had no spark. After about 30 seconds, my resistor coil was smoking. I shut everything down, and checked all my wiring connections. Everything is tight and wired correctly. When I swapped switches, I had a couple wires in the wrong spot crossed (can't rememver witch ones), and the resistor smoked then too, but I quickly discconected and replaced the resistor coil. So I guess what I'm trying to say is this: What gives? Did I short out something or possibly damage another electrical component?

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ED-IL

05-12-2004 07:03:18




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 Re: Ignition Problems 2N in reply to Jeff Young, 05-12-2004 04:31:36  
Jeff - I have a '46 2N. When I got it, the wiring was messed up, so I can identify with your problem.

After replacing the wiring harness and ignition switch, I noticed an anomoly with the system. On really humid mornings, my 2N wouldn't start.

The fix was to remove the coil from the distributor (just lay it to the side) and dry the inside of the distributor with a hair dryer. After about 60 seconds, the spark is returned. I guess that is why the coil is attached with a bailer.

Give it a try and see what happens.

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Jeb2N

05-12-2004 05:16:04




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 Re: Ignition Problems 2N in reply to Jeff Young, 05-12-2004 04:31:36  
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Your wiring should look like this for the original 6V system. I worried about my new ballast resistor smoking as well, but after a couple hour run time it has stopped. As you can see, pretty much everything but the wire to the coil and one leg of the ignition switch goes to the center terminal. If you don't have a factory wiring harness, double check to make sure that none of the metal terminals is accidentally bridging across to another stud on the terminal block. BTW, the coil wire is the red wire on the block. Hope this helps!

Jeb

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Jeff Young

05-12-2004 05:36:50




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 Re: Re: Ignition Problems 2N in reply to Jeb2N, 05-12-2004 05:16:04  
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Thanks Jeb.


I circled the part that is smoking, and I guess it's not a problem from what you guys say, but I still have no spark so I guess I still have a problem. I also drew an arrow to show where I hooked the red wire incorrectly and had juice to it for about 30 seconds. It's all wired correctly now, just like the diagram shows.

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Jeb2N

05-12-2004 06:48:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Ignition Problems 2N in reply to Jeff Young, 05-12-2004 05:36:50  
If it's wired correctly, check your coil and make sure the curly-que is stretched out enough to make contact. Then I'd have someone crank it over for you with it in neutral and take a screwdriver and place it on top of one of the spark plug wire terminals and try to ground it on the throttle rod. If you see a spark, you're getting fire. Try this on all four plugs and make sure they're all getting fire. Old trick my granddad showed me.

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souNdguy

05-12-2004 04:50:37




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 Re: Ignition Problems 2N in reply to Jeff Young, 05-12-2004 04:31:36  
A new ballast resistor will smoke...it is flashing off oil and moisture from the manufacturing process... it gets real hot.

Follow the volts like Ken mentioned..

If the resistor is getting hot.. there is continuity to ground somewhere.. normally would be at the points.. but that would provide spark.. if no spark.. it has to be shorted somewhere before the points..

Soundguy



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roger '40 9n

05-12-2004 05:56:14




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 Re: Re: Ignition Problems 2N in reply to souNdguy, 05-12-2004 04:50:37  
"there is continuity to ground somewhere.. normally would be at the points but that would provide spark.. if no spark.. it has to be shorted somewhere before the points."

You would get spark only if the points were opening and closing. If they were stuck closed you would not get any spark -- you would not need any other shorts to ground for that to happen. :-)

Roger in Michigan



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Jeff Young

05-12-2004 05:20:11




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 Re: Re: Ignition Problems 2N in reply to souNdguy, 05-12-2004 04:50:37  
Is the "ballast resistor" the one mounted on the back side of the dash? I thought this was the coil resistor, and that's the one I replaced that is now smoking. Do I need to mess with the resistor for the generator? Ken, when you say "ohm out the coil" what do you mean? Just connect a meter to the leads and see check the resistance?

Would hooking the wire from the generator cutout and the wire to the coil to the same post on the terminal block smoke the distributor coil? It think that may have been what I did, but I only had it hooked like that for 30 seconds tops. Do I need to mess with the resistor for the generator?

Thanks guys.
Jeff

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souNdguy

05-12-2004 06:40:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Ignition Problems 2N in reply to Jeff Young, 05-12-2004 05:20:11  
OOps.. missed a couple questions.

Yes.. the ballast resistor is the one mounted to the back of the dash. Virtually all the wiring on the tractor makes it by there.... easy to find if it is present..

While you can take an ohm reading on the primary and secondary of the coil.. most ohm meters aren't very accurate at a low scale.. least not the ones that you can find locally.

The better way would be to hook up as usual.. and take voltage readings.. You want about 3 v on the top of the coil with the points closed.. and battery volts on the coil with points open. ( 2,5 to 3.5 is a fairly safe range.. much less will cause missing.. much more will overheat and degrade the coils insulation leading to premature failure. )

I notice you said you replaced the wires. Did you use solid copper wires.. or the modern carbon core anti-radiostatic wires? The antiradiostatic wires are resistor wires... you don't want them.. your front mount ignition coil is just barley adequate as it is, when running in great condition to get high voltage out to the plugs... there isn't much kv left over to 'give away' to losses int he system.. like dirty terminals.. fouled plugs.. and resistor wires.

Also reccomend you use a champion h-12 plug or an al-437 plug.. or equivalents to those.. as they are a hotter range.

Soundguy

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souNdguy

05-12-2004 05:31:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Ignition Problems 2N in reply to Jeff Young, 05-12-2004 05:20:11  
Trying to make sense of your message here... there is no resistor for the generator.. so not sure what you are refering to there.. and on a oem 6v front mount system.. there is only one resistor.. the ballast resistor.. nothing called a coil resistor.. however the ballast resistor is for the ignition coil.. if that is what you mean.

Even if you hooked the 6v battery to the top of the distribuitor coil, and the points were closed grounding it out... the coil wouldn't have smoked in 30 seconds... unless it was already bad or defective.

I suggest you go to nseries . com.. and look at a wire diagram for the front mount system.. and wire accordingly..

Soundguy

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Jeff Young

05-12-2004 05:40:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignition Problems 2N in reply to souNdguy, 05-12-2004 05:31:37  
Thanks.

I still have a lot of investigating to do. That is what I meant; I was verifying that the resistor for the ignition coil was called the ballast resistor.

Thanks again.



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Jeff Young

05-12-2004 05:44:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignition Problems 2N in reply to Jeff Young, 05-12-2004 05:40:54  
Forgot something. The 12V to 6V dropping resistor is only for the 8N?



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souNdguy

05-12-2004 06:43:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignition Problems 2N in reply to Jeff Young, 05-12-2004 05:44:27  
The 12 to 6 dropping resistor is for any N.. that is 12v.. On the front mount systems you would use a 12to6 dropping resistor AND the ballast resistor.. to use your oem 6v coil.. or you could simply get a 12v coil, and small 1/2 ohm 20 watt current limiting resistor.

On a side mount N.. you would use the 12to6 dropping resistor and the oem 6v side mount coil, on a 12v setup.. or simply get a real side mount 12v coil like a napa IC-14-SB.. and use NO resistors.

Soundguy

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Ken Bohannon

05-12-2004 04:41:08




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 Re: Ignition Problems 2N in reply to Jeff Young, 05-12-2004 04:31:36  
Run a wire from the hot side of your battery to coil, if you have a spark on the plug, back track from there every item that the jumper bypasses. You can actually ohm out the coil but that is a judgement call when you get done doing it, depends on how electrically inclined you are, if your coil is smoked really good it will burn the pitch inside and bubble out, stinks like hell.



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