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Ford 8N vs. Ferguson TO-20

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N-Sane

01-25-2001 15:49:25




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In all HONESTY which would be better? I know that everybody likes a 8N but a TO-20 seems very simalar in many respects. I have heard a rumor that Ferguson engine parts are twice as expensive as 8N parts, is this true? I bet some people have both a TO-20 and a 8N. I have also heard that a TO-20 will outpull a 8N. Are any parts, like sheetmetal,rims interchangeable?




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Bill (in Colo)

01-26-2001 21:31:05




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 Re: Ford 8N vs. Ferguson TO-20 in reply to N-Sane, 01-25-2001 15:49:25  
To support the Bill(tx) comments.

A friend of mine had to fix a block crack
between cylinders of a TO-20 Continental engine.

I tried to help by looking around here (in
Colorado) and found that the tractor wrecking yards were unanimous in saying "you won't find
a single block for THAT engine anywhere, because
they always crack between the cylinders and all
of the used blocks are long-since gone".

So, the crack was brazed, and then the cylinder
bore re-machined to fit the new liners that
were replaced.

In my view, the problem w/TO-20s? - if the block cracks (and there is a good chance it will sometime), if the block is not repairable, then your tractor is a complete loss. Like the 8Ns, the block is part of the chassis, and you can't just "jury-rig" a foreign block in.

- Fords (on the other hand) are ubiquitous and do not suffer this fundamental flaw.

- I'm not going to argue that there are better tractors than the 8N (there are), but, If you are going to go non-Ford, this is not the right non-Ford to pick.

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steve19438

01-26-2001 03:08:40




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 Re: Ford 8N vs. Ferguson TO-20 in reply to N-Sane, 01-25-2001 15:49:25  
i have owned both tractors and i personally liked the ferg. 20 somewhat more than my 8n. i especially liked the tilt hood on the ferg. parts are a little harder to come by for the ferg. but i don't think any more expensive. i stayed with ford mainly because there no more ferg. dealers anywhere near my home.



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Bill(Tx)

01-25-2001 19:33:03




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 Re: Ford 8N vs. Ferguson TO-20 in reply to N-Sane, 01-25-2001 15:49:25  
The machine shop operator and mechanic I know has been at it for 45 years, on Fords mostly, says he wouldn't touch the Continental that's in the Ferguson because of the chronic tendency for the block to crack between the cylinders. He ought to know about these things, every time I go by for coffee, he's got 2 or 3 Nseries blocks in various stages of work.



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ZANE

01-25-2001 16:58:50




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 Re: Ford 8N vs. Ferguson TO-20 in reply to N-Sane, 01-25-2001 15:49:25  
Most all of the hydraulic parts are interchangable between the TO Ferguson and the 9N and 2N. Some are interchangable with the 8N. After all Henry stole the 8N lift from Harry. He modified it to have a position control and quit paying Harry his royalties for the lift that he had invented. The US courts sided with Ferguson though and awarded him about ten million. Henry won out in the end though because he got the keep Harry's lift. All modern tractors still use basically the same configuration the Harry Ferguson invented in the mid thirties. Brilliant huh?

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Tom-Pa

01-25-2001 23:09:54




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 Re: Re: Ford 8N vs. Ferguson TO-20 in reply to ZANE, 01-25-2001 16:58:50  
I don't see how Henry II won a whole lot. When the lawsuit was finally settled in 1952, they did have to pay $25 per 8N built. Also as of Dec. 31, 52 they could no longer use the suction side controlled hydraulic pump patented by Fergusen. I do agree that over 500,000 8N's did put money in Fords coffers. The cost of the lawyers was quite a large bill also even when they were fords lawyers. They did have the new design and came out with the Jubilee the start of 1953. This used the external vane pump right aft side of the engine driven by thestarter ring. Tom...

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ZANE

01-26-2001 19:39:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Ford 8N vs. Ferguson TO-20 in reply to Tom-Pa, 01-25-2001 23:09:54  
The hydraulic pump on the NAA and the hundred series in driven by a gear attached to the rear end of the cam shaft.



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tim[in]

01-25-2001 23:15:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Ford 8N vs. Ferguson TO-20 in reply to Tom-Pa, 01-25-2001 23:09:54  
and dont forget,while harry fergusen may have improved and patented the 3pt, he didnt invent it. someone else did that! harry was famous for patenting everything while henry ford realised if you change a few things ,you have something totally different that can qualify for another patent number.



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ZANE

01-26-2001 19:44:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ford 8N vs. Ferguson TO-20 in reply to tim[in], 01-25-2001 23:15:20  
Who do you think it was who invented the 3 point hitch in the form it has been used ever since about 1935 if it were not Harry ferguson.



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tim[in]

01-27-2001 21:40:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ford 8N vs. Ferguson TO-20 in reply to ZANE, 01-26-2001 19:44:05  
i believe the answer i saw in a ford tractor book. and also somewhere else but cant remember. it was one of the newer ford tractor books the last time i saw this info. cant remember the gentleman's name who invented the 3pt. but yes harry f. perfected the version used in later tractors. just didntinvent it.still handy item reguardless of who did what.=)



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