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Plowed a little now questions!

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Bill

07-07-2003 09:10:07




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OK I bought a 2-14 bottom plow. I think it worked well considering my turf was only brush hogged. I did need to get off and kick some of the grass clogging the blades a couple of times. Question one is how do I control the depth? By adjusting the top link? Any way to stop the clogging or is this typical of grass fields? In general I am a little worried about this spot. It is a hillside and I just did not feel comfortable brush hogging it and plowing is no better. How should I plow this? I am going crossways and all in the same direction. Does direction matter? Also how far apart do you run your courses? I tried to place the right tire into the furrow I had previously plowed but was not sure that will be right. I did not finish because this looks like it will take some time (2 acres). I thought now that I know it works I would check here for pointers. Still hill conscience, they got me a little worried.
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Bill

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ZANE

07-07-2003 19:42:20




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 Re: Plowed a little now questions! in reply to Bill, 07-07-2003 09:10:07  
Franklin Roosevelt tried to teach us not to plow on hillsides because of the big chances or soil erosion when it rains on hillsides that have been plowed. Here in Alabama we still have thousands of miles of terraces that the CCCs made back in the thirties. The terraces all go around the hills on a level plane so that the run off does not have a chance to make gullies on the hillsides. They are still working where they have been left alone.

Ford made a hillside plow. It was actually two plows with one on top of the other. When you got to the end of the row you turned the plow over and it plowed the other way on the way back to the other side of the field on a hillside. You always plow so that the sod is turned down the hill. That way in a hundred years you won't have a hill at all.

Plowing with an 8N Ford tractor Posted by ZANE on January 01, 1999 at 06:48:44: In Reply to: plowing with an 8n posted by john alexander on December 31, 1998 at 20:00:53: Attach the plow to the 3 point hitch. Drive the tractor's left rear wheel up on a 6 inch block. use the right hand leveling crank and the top link screw adjustment to level the plow share and the land slide with the ground. Do this on a good level spot or on a level slab of concrete. Pull a string from the back of the land slide to the front of the tractor or farther out in front of the tractor and make a straight line beside the land slide to the front of the tractor.The line should angle slightly to the right front wheel of the tractor about 6 inches more than the left. This is to assure that the plow doesn't try to turn the tractor right when the plow comes in contact with the earth. Think of the plow acting as a rudder would on a boat. The way to adjust the angle of the landslide to the left is to loosen the bolts that hold the drawbar that goes across the plow and attaches to the two lower links and twist it in it's cradle untill the plow is pointing in the right direction.(string pointing to the right at the front of tractor) The plow will have to be raised to let it more easily be moved. Some plows have adjusting bolts that help in turning the plow and in securing it in position. This is just a preliminary adjustment and when in the field it may be necessary to tilt the plow slightly forward by shortening the top link etc. Good luck and let me know how you do. Zane.

To prevent the plow from trying to turn the tractor you need to adjust the draw bar. Think of the plow as the rudder on a boat. If you want the boat to turn left you turn the rudder left. The same is true of the plow. The drawbar has an offset on the right side with the offset turned down. To turn the plow as a rudder to the left to make the tractor stop turning right when the plow is engaged, loosen the bolt that secure the drawbar to the plow. Turn the drawbar counterclockwise looking at the right end(offset).in order to make the tail of the plow turn to the left. It only takes little to turn the plow tail a lot but do it so that the tail of the plow is moved about 6" to the left. Retighten the bolts that secure the drawbar to the plow.
Put the little lever that is under the seat in the down (draft control position) Move the lift lever till the plow drops to the ground.advance the tractor and gradually move the lever more down till the plow is at the depth you wish to plow and then set the lever at this point with the stop to make it stay there.

The little lever under the seat is the mode selector lever. It us moved from position mode when up to draft when it is down. Position lets you hold the lift arms at a given or selected height.

Draft control allows you to have the ground engaging implement (plow etc) to automatically raise or lower itself according to the texture or hardness of the ground it is ingaging. If you want the plow to go deeper you gradually move the touch control handle down just a little and then set the quadrant stop so that the touch control handle will not go down any farther than it is set. This will allow you to return to the same load on the tractor when the plow is raised to turn around etc. Draft control was the brain child of Harry Ferguson back in the mid thirties and his invention is still used today on every modern farm tractor the world over.

Draft is the amoung of pull an implement has on the tractor or the depth of the implement. The draft of a boat is how deep the bottom goes in the water.

If when you try to use the draft mode on the tractor and it will not raise the implement when the touch control handle is raised all the way then the lift is in need of repair and or adjustment. Also if the lift will not hold the implement at a selected height it in need of repair and or adjustment.

I sell a jig and instruction booklet with illustrations that is for adjusting the lift on the 8N tractor.

A flat bottom plow should be set so that when the plow opens the furrow the bottom of the furrow will be flat. Hence, flat bottom plow" !If the plow will not go in the ground with the plow set flat, get new plow points.
When using a 14" flat bottom plow the distance from the inside edge of the right rear wheel should be 14" from the most forward point of the first plow. Or 14" from the landside of the first plow to the inside of the RR tire.
The tires of the tractor should have water in them or either wheel weights.

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Upper Peninsula, Mich

07-07-2003 17:50:12




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 Re: Plowed a little now questions! in reply to Bill, 07-07-2003 09:10:07  
Hi Bill. I have gotten into accidents or near accidents with my 9N because I didn't always listen to my gut feelings. Now when I am not comfortable with the tractor, I don't proceed until I am comfortable. Think ahead of yourself on what could be the consequences for what your planning on doing. Place it safe. Good luck and safe tractoring. Ron



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Rob

07-07-2003 16:39:07




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 Re: Plowed a little now questions! in reply to Bill, 07-07-2003 09:10:07  
The "Ford Operator's Manual; Tractors 9N, 2N, 8N" ($5-$14) has 10 pages of Plowing Instructions including the sections mounting the plow, adjusting width of cut, coulter and jointer adj, rolling landslide, plow bottoms, plow shares, plow lubrication, and plowing procedures. Wanna bet your questions are address including pictures? Let's see...

how do I control the depth? That's draft control. Set it where you want and the tractor keeps it there.
adjusting the top link? Attach the top link with the plow sitting level.
Any way to stop the clogging or is this typical of grass fields? The 14" General Purpose plow bottom is the choice for old bluegrass pastures and tame sod in good rotation.
The backward rollover concerns are not nearly so great when using draft control with in-ground impliments. With those impliments the 3pt hitch is designed to keep the center of gravity below the axel and pull the front wheels down. It doesn't work near so well with above ground impliments.
The book brags about how 'well suited' the tractor is for contour plowing.
I don't even know what 'scouring' means.
The book has pages and pages on direction and why.
You know the Conservation Service did soil tests and told the farmers what land was tilable and what should be left as pasture. If you are opening up pasture you might be wasting your time. I have the Conservation layout for this farm. They detailed soil type and land usage for the entire 1/4-section. My pasture is clearly not cropland. I think those ol boys plowed every inch of suitable cropland. They had pasture land coz it wasn't worth anything else. I know the boys in the flood plains don't have any pastures. They plow fence to fence. Well, not really because they don't have any fence either.

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Jerry Kirkpatrick

07-07-2003 14:10:41




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 Re: Plowed a little now questions! in reply to Bill, 07-07-2003 09:10:07  
One of the dangers of operating a tractor on a slope is the possibility of dropping the lowside wheel into a hole. That can roll you over before you know what's happening.

Be careful,

JK



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H Otis.

07-07-2003 10:29:59




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 Re: Plowed a little now questions! in reply to Bill, 07-07-2003 09:10:07  
Bill, how steep is this hillside? I'm very wary of people driving crossways on hillsides. Some people swear that it is nearly impossible to roll an 8N but better safe than sorry. Rollovers happen quickly and too often. If the hill is steep at all, be wary of driving perpendidcular to the slope. Then again, I'm not a safety expert. Perhaps others here have a different perspective.



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jeb2n

07-07-2003 09:56:58




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 Re: Plowed a little now questions! in reply to Bill, 07-07-2003 09:10:07  
hey bill;

I wounldn't worry about the clumps sticking to the plow. If anything, you could take a wire brush on an angle grinder and "polish" the shares and moldboards. Also, I would plow such that you are rolling the furrows downhill. This way, if the plow digs in too deep and begins to steer the tractor for you, it will turn you down hill. As for depth, the 9N/2N's only had draft control, which senses the amount of pull on the plow. if you lower the handle, it should allow the plow to drop a little. It WILL adjust itself up and down a little as you go...it was designed that way. 8N's had position control where the implement stays exactly where it is put, but the draft control was designed with plowing specifically in mind. Usually, you'll offset the right rear tire by one adjustment (ie, flip the rim over) and allow it to drop into the last furrow, and yes all furrows should go in the same direction to avoid unevenness. Good luck!

Jeb

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Bill

07-07-2003 11:30:31




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 Re: Re: Plowed a little now questions! in reply to jeb2n, 07-07-2003 09:56:58  
I should have mentioned I have a 9N. Good idea about plowing the other direction so my furrows roll over down hill. I am going the wrong way. Not good at guessing the angles but the hill is about 15-20 degrees. I guess it should be OK, I am just uneasy and being careful. I was told once a 9N could be on a 45 deg hill before it would tip. I am certain I will never test that because I don't like to take chances. As much as I love this tractor and it is in great shape sometimes it is too obvious that my hilly land is a little too much for it. I think eventually I will need to get a smaller (height) 4-wheel drive with better brakes and a lower center of gravity. It is tough though because I love this old ford!
Bill

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BillM OH

07-07-2003 19:32:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Plowed a little now questions! in reply to Bill, 07-07-2003 11:30:31  
Bill You did not say if you have coulters on and adjusted -- if so, grass should not be a problem... plowing sod without coulters can be done, but it's a little ragged. Others have given you mucho good advice -- 2 acre field can be plowed both ways but leaves a big depression or hump in the middle, depending on pattern. My old Dearborn 2 bottom shines up real nice after the first half acre or so, gets all the rust polished off pretty quick.

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